On Sunday 22 February 2009 12:04 SM Bo writes to Joe: > 20 Feb you wrote: [Bo] > (on the issue why the alleged Muslim science - that flourished > while Europe was in its Medieval hibernation - didn't develop the > kind of scientific skepticism that so dominate the West? I,e, > distance itself from religion. [Joe] >> In my study of medieval philosophy I recall Arabian authors >> Avicenna, and Averrhoes in the 12th century discussing Aristotle >> before Thomas Aquinas. I believe Aquinas quotes them. Also >> Moses Maimonides was mentioned. I guess Arabian and Jewish >> philosophy was SOM. >[Bo] > Most interesting Joe. However if philosophy (necessarily) is SOM > is a big question. One way seen philosophy means truth-seeking in > the Greek sense that in Greece resulted in a break with the > mythological god-centered past. But as the Dark Ages descended > philosophy deteriorated into studying the God-given reality, no > skepticism about those premises.. [Joe] >> Evolution is later and I have no idea how Arabian and Jewish >> thought incorporates evolution into their culture. [Bo] > Do you mean biological - Darwinian - evolution, if so it > definitely was much later, and it would be too much to expect > THAT to emerge, my hunch however is that.Greek SOM began to > influence Christendom and pry it away from its social Semitic > - roots, developing its intellectual branch. Humankind got an > eternal soul different from its perishable body (a S/O pattern) > And the rest is history. [Joe] >> As for a theory of how we know things, abstraction etc., I >> imagine William James, Pirsig and others are fairly recent, and >> have not been absorbed into Jewish or Arabian culture. [Bo] > James and Pirsig never becoming part of Jew and Muslim "canon" > is for sure ;-) and my guess is that Judaism and Islam never > will - cannot - develop a similar "intellectual" branch, that > window of opportunity is closed.
Hi Bo and all, I am thinking: ³It is better for one man to lose his life than for all to be destroyed². I think the Romans were about to destroy the Jewish culture and Christ lost his life. Mohammed played a pivotal role in the Arabian culture without being killed. I feel for the same reason that Ghandi, Dorothy Day, The Catholic Worker, Martin Luther King Jr with his death and an emphasis on a non-violent-resistance to evil, all laid the groundwork for Pirsig to develop the MOQ before a nuclear holocaust made the earth¹s surface inhospitable to life. The feeling today is the peoples of the Earth have more in common than they are aware of. This is not to deny your profound insight that religion can be a social manifestation. Today the individual can still live in a social bubble, even though all the cultures have evolved to the intellectual level. IMO. Joe > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
