Ni Hao, Andre
4 Mar. u wrote:
> Hi Bodvar. Thanks for the compliment but as stated to dmb...I am
> tredding on untrodden ground (for me). Something went 'iggly' in my
> stomach region when I read your above 'INSIDE the MOQ'. So, at the
> risk of being thrown off the lofty heights and down into the ravine I
> must ask the question: Are we not making the same mistake (with DQ) as
> Plato made with Arete?
ZAMM identified Aretê with the Homeric (Mythological heroes) In
the MOQ this must necessarily be social value (existence is the
rising static range no era or people lived in a DQ reality) thus the
Greek thinkers raised social Aretê to Intellectual Aretê. Intellect is
a higher value level ...no?
> As dmb says to Krimel: In ZAMM he says, "Plato HADN'T tried to destroy
> ARETE. He had ENCAPSULATED it; made a permanent , fixed Idea out of it;
> had CONVERTED it to a rigid , immobile Immortal Truth. He made ARETE
> THE Good, the highest form, the highest Idea of all. (Thank YOU dmb!)
Exactly, the Greek thinkers saw it as the highest Aretê to rise
above the mythological world of senseless Emotions into the lofty
world of Reason. In ZAMM this was seen as a fall from grace, but
from the MOQ seen it was intellect rising above society.
But - again - using ZAMM's "fall from grace" attitude on the
immense value rise the intellectual level means is unfair. The
Greek thinkers great achievement was the S/O schism is no many
forms: one eternal and one perishable, with Aristotle this S/O
arrived at a stage we recognize
The ``something'' that Appearances cling to he named
``substance.'' And at that moment, and not until that
moment, our modern scientific understanding of reality was
born. (ZAMM)
DMB does not say it here, but he went on to equate SOM S/O split
with MOQ's "dynamic/static" and this is is about as ... I'm
speechless. And Krimel -who never bought the MOQ - agrees.
That says something.
> To wit: by placing DQ/SQ BOTH INSIDE the MoQ are we not thereby
> inadvertently encapsulating the 'undifferentiate aesthetic continuum'
> (DQ)? Thus killing the MoQ? and reducing the whole lot to, in your
> words Q-SOM??
I have problems with understanding the problem. The DQ/SQ is
the MOQ where DQ is the undifferentiated part and SQ the
differentiated. Do you mean that DQ is "killed" by being "put down
on paper" or having static fall-outs ..?. Please elaborate. You can't
have fallen for the pre-concept/concept hoax?
Bodvar
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