On Wednesday 4 March 2009 5:11 AM Andre writes to DMB: <snip> > So the MoQ as a 'derived conceptual framework' is not different > from the reality (DQ/SQ) it describes? <snip>
Hi Andre, DMB and all, I¹m Joe! In My Opinion Pirsig suggests an evolutionary framework. In that sense MOQ as a derived conceptual framework' is different from reality (DQ/SQ). There are three different elements. MOQ describes a framework of evolution which Pirsig says has 4 levels, Inorganic, organic, social, intellectual. I prefer the model of the musical octave of 7 levels repeated in octaves, and DQ undefined SQ defined. As a guess I would say evolution is the framework of existence. DQ/SQ the frameworks of the manifestation. Joe On 3/4/09 5:11 AM, "Andre Broersen" <[email protected]> wrote: > dmb says to Andre: > Yes, static quality is patterned and Dynamic Quality is not patterned. But > this doesn't mean that concepts (SPOV) are unreal. In the art gallery > analogy, where we can look at a variety of sets of static patterns, all the > paintings are equally real. If you were to pick one and say that it's the > real one while the others aren't, that would be an illusion. It's illusory > in the sense that you'd be taking derived concepts as more real than the > reality from which they were derived. I suppose your question arises from > something like that. > > Andre: > Bear with me please dmb, I am trodding ground I am not used to trodding: > > So the MoQ as a 'derived conceptual framework' is not different from the > reality (DQ/SQ) it describes? > > If you agree with this, then what is language as a pattern of value (both > spoken and written)? Does it exist in an 'objective/subjective' sense (as > SOM would have it) or does the MoQ challenge this? If so,in what way? > > Is this a ligitimate line of questioning or not (in the sense that; "Am I > going wacko now?") > > Am very interested to hear your (and anyone's) views on this. > > Andre > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
