> [Platt] > "Absence of complete knowledge," i.e., ignorance > > [Arlo] > So DQ is ignorance. Okay. I'll buy that. > > [Krimel} > I like to call it uncertainty. But I'm in.
Chance and uncertainty identify ignorance, DQ a vague sense of betterness. > [Platt] > Few responses to change and uncertainty are DQ responses.. > > [Arlo] > "[Dynamic] Quality IS the response of the organism to its > environment." (ZMM, emphasis added). > > [Krimel] > I'd say almost all responses to change involve uncertainty. > You never know what might happen on the way from here to there. DQ did not exist in ZMM. I would say most responses to change are static, i.e., predictable. > [Platt] > Most are static responses from one's social and intellectual patterns... > > [Arlo] > HOW we respond is always constrained (and enabled) by the static > patterns of which we are comprised. There is no such thing as a > "static response". There IS such a thing as a "probable response", a > response to DQ that is so likely to occur that we see it as a "static > pattern". If it looks like a static pattern, responds like a static pattern, acts like a static pattern, it's a static pattern. > [Krimel] > I would add that dynamic and static are both used to describe the same > idea: Pirsig makes a definite distinction between Dynamic and static. > Quality. This gives us a way to talk about phenomena. "Hurricane" as a > concept is a static pattern of meaning. It describes the common > properties > of a meteorological event. But to be inside a hurricane is pure dynamic > quality. Everything that used to be static in the world around you is > now > uncertain. Objects fly in the wind, trees bend and buildings shudder. > Concepts are static, percepts are dynamic. The way I see it, I rejoice > at > each and everything that can be made static in my world. It's one less > thing > that's likely to hit me in the head during a high wind. > > "Dynamic response." Holy shit, DUCK!" No. Just a typical, predictable static biological level response. > [Platt] > If horror, disgust or dread is involved, the likely source is a > social or intellectual pattern reacting to a biological pattern > > [Arlo] > Ah, right DQ only produces Cezanne's and concertos. Sadly, though, > this is not true. DQ also produces plane crashes and volcanic > eruptions and plague outbreaks and meteors crashing into us and > zepplin's exploding and boats sinking and cancer and strokes and > famine and pestilence. > > "Horror, disgust or dread" are perspectives from a human > point-of-view. Nothing more. Certainly not anything "DQ" would be > concerned with. > > [Krimel] > The fact that all humans everywhere are able to involuntarily > communicate > these emotions, both the good ones and the bad ones, suggests that they > have > been common to our ancestors for a very long time. They are encoded > directly > into our biology. In that sense they are truly static. But they allow > for > dynamic and flexible interaction with the environment. They save us from > the > horrible and bond us to what's lovable. The pre-conceptual cutting edge > of > experience is emotion. Pre-intellectual means biological. > > The disgust I feel when stepping in dog shit is a biological response to > biological quality. > Joy I felt when Obama was elected was a biological response to social > quality. > The embarrassment I feel for Platt when reading many of his posts is a > biological response to low intellectual quality. I too have static biological responses -- sadness at Obozo's election and Krimel's inability to think outside the scientism box. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
