[Platt] You bet chance and DQ are different. The former identifies ignorance of underlying cause. The latter identifies speechless, wondrous surprise.
[Arlo] Apples and oranges. BOTH identify "speechless, wondrous surprise". You have a "chance" at winning the lottery, I bet when you do you are speechless and feeling wondrous. BOTH chance and DQ recognize that "cause" is SOM trap. Instead, events occur in a field of interwoven activity among inorganic, biological, social and intellectual responses to DQ, and these responses are constrained and enabled by the complexity of the pattern, a set of probability-to-respond, none pre-determined, none guaranteed, but instead carrying particular moment-to-moment "chances" or probabilities to occur. By the way, "DQ causes events to occur" traps the cosmos without free will or agency. Your cat would evidence no preference to eat, as it has no choice, since DQ "causes" it to eat. Since this is not true, DQ does not "cause" anything to happen, your cat evidences probability that it will eat, but also probability that it will not. Its up to your cat. But please, try again, what are the DISTINCTIONS between chance and DQ you keep alluding to? Intent? Plan? (I know its these, I'm just waiting to see if you have the integrity and brass to just say it.) Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
