Hey Andre, Excellent in all respects, especially due to the evidence you cite to support your conclusions. Compare to others who simply spew opinions. Thanks for a very high quality intellectual analysis.
Platt > Platt: > DQ did not exist in ZMM. I would say most responses to change are > static, > i.e., predictable. > > Andre: > Hi Platt, Arlo, Krimel and All, this Dynamic vs static issue has come up > before somewhere (LC?). Can I summarise the discussion as centering > around > the question: when is an experience Dynamic and when is an experience a > 'normal' reaction to something? > > Pirsig is reasonably clear about the differences between the two: > Dynamic Quality is experienced as a "Dynamic RELIEF from static patterns' > as > in the hurricane example, or a Dynamic 'SHATTERING of static patterns, as > in > the heart attack example (Lila pp121-122, my emphasis). Both examples > suggest the exposure to a unforeseen/ 'out of the blue',unexpected > event, > whereby all assumptions about routine, predictability, normality/ > stability etc are either temporarily suspended or destroyed. '...and in > that > moment only Dynamic Quality is available to him'. (op.cit) > These experiences are not your everyday, run of the mill > (static/stable) occurences. These are 'special'. > > Compare this to the quality response of an organism to its environment > (ZMM > p244). It is this experience, of low or high quality, from which we > have invented analogues upon analogues and in this way have developed > static/ stable/ predictable patterns captured in laws and customs and > have > provided us our (cultural) glasses. > It is within this realm that inorganic and organic response patterns > have > been 'stabilised' .. > Social responses have been 'customised' and intellectual responses have > been > 'formalised'. > > I suppose what I am getting at is that a DQ event is one whereby one > is 'confronted' with the un-likely within the likely, the un-truth > within > the truth, the unpredictable within the predictable, the illusion within > the > reality. That these experiences dramaticaly challenge one's static > patterns, > and that , after the event these static patterns will 'never be the same > again'. I.e. a re-patterning will take place. > > I think that when Pirsig says that "These patterns can't by themselves > perceive or adjust to Dynamic Quality. Only a living being can do that' > (Lila, p165) he suggest the degree to which a living pattern can > perceive > or adjust depends upon the level of freedom achieved. An amoeba can't > pack > its bags and migrate to the Bahamas/or China. Other animals can only run > and > hope the fire stops somewhere, or that there is food somewhere else. Man > can > fight the fire/ or the flood/ or take measures to reduce the impact of > an > earth quake. Man grows food, learns, and has developed a variety of ways > to > adapt (biologically,socially and intellectually) to many different > environments and conditions. > > To return to the opening line: there appears to be a distinction between > 'events' and these came to be designated with DQ (dramatic i.e > 'suspension/ > shattering) and q e (quality event), (a sunset, walk through the > woods,kiss > from your wife, stepping in dog shit, doing the dishes etc.) > > Or does this confuse the whole issue? Any further thoughts? > > For what it is worth. > Andre > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
