[Platt] Chance and uncertainty identify ignorance, DQ a vague sense of betterness.
[Arlo] Are you suggesting that DQ identifies certainty? Yikes! [Platt] DQ did not exist in ZMM. [Arlo] Pirsig said the Quality of ZMM is the DQ of LILA. So in ZMM when he says "Quality is the response of the organism to its environment", we know he means DQ as further explained in LILA. [Platt] I would say most responses to change are static, i.e., predictable. [Arlo] Probable is simply a statement of preference. Right, static patterns are the probable responses of an organism to its environment. [Platt] If it looks like a static pattern, responds like a static pattern, acts like a static pattern, it's a static pattern. [Arlo] Your point is inane. I never said there were no static patterns. I said there are no "static responses". ALL responses are the organism pursuing DQ, acting in a probability field of preference. Those responses that occur over and over (i.e., a high degree of probability) we see as "static patterns". The greater the degree of probability, the stronger the "static pattern". Nice try at rhetoric though. [Platt] No. Just a typical, predictable static biological level response. [Arlo] You understand the MOQ so little, and yet you talk so loudly. "Static responses"? Ai yi yi.... There are NO static responses. There ARE responses (to DQ) that with probability become seen as "static" to us. Jeezuz, sometimes I think you never even read the books. [Platt] I too have static biological responses... [Arlo] This is just horrible rhetoric that sets the MOQ back a decade. There are no "static biological responses". Static biological patterns are those biological responses to DQ that attain a high degree of probability. DQ is the response of the organism to its environment. Highly probable responses become (to us) static pattern; ie, patterns of probable preference. You have NO "static biological responses"... my god man, that's just saying "I don't understand a thing Pirsig said"... You can, of course, respond to DQ biologically... as we all do, as our responses to DQ are always constrained and enabled by the static patterns of which we are comprised. When you drink a good beer and it pleases you biologically, that's your body responding to DQ. "Static biological response".... what must Pirsig be thinking when he read that monstronsity... Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
