On March 23, 2009 1:54 PM Arlo responds to Platt: <snip> > To get back to your quote. DQ is all around you. Always. It is > the NOW moment of your experience. It contains the potential for > uncertainty. It keeps the cosmos from unaltering stasis. It is > what provides our agency and free will as human beings, and as > such MUST be present at every moment, or else we are reduced to > either automatons or play-dough. The potential for uncertainty IS > what makes us free, what makes all things inherently > evolutionary. <snip>
Hi Arlo, Platt and All, How can I learn something I don¹t know? Laws are important. How is the word ³law² used like in a "law of evolution"? I accept evolution. Gravity at the inorganic level is a "law of gravity" at the intellectual level. The speed of a particle around a body big enough to support a gravitational field bends the inertia of the gravitational field into an orbit. Quantum is the neuter in classical Latin where quantus is masculine, and quanta is feminine. From the dictionary: Quantum theory, the theory that energy is not a smoothly flowing continuum but is manifested by the emission from radiating bodies of discrete particles or quanta, the values of which are expressed as the product of Planck¹s constant multiplied by the frequency of the given radiation. Active, passive, neutral are the forces necessary for a manifestation. A manifestation only occurs within an hierarchical order in existence. Three forces manifesting in 4 or 7 evolutionary orders provide the basis for a metaphysical description of evolution. What is beyond physics? Metaphysics, MOQ, IMO accepts a law of evolution in which Quantum theory describes a manifestation. DQ/SQ manifests in 4 levels.. (I accept 7 levels using the analogy of the musical octave where the eighth level is a repeat at double the intensity of the first level, and starts more intense further octaves.) Joe On 3/23/09 1:54 PM, "Arlo Bensinger" <[email protected]> wrote: > [Platt quotes Bob to prove DQ comes as a surprise] > "The first good, that made you want to buy the record, was Dynamic > Quality. Dynamic Quality comes as a sort of surprise. What the record > did was weaken for a moment your existing static patterns in such a > way that the Dynamic Quality all around you shone through." (Pirsig) > > [Arlo] > Excellent! I am so glad you included the entirety of this quote. I > direct your attention to the next sentence. "What the record did was > weaken for a moment your existing static patterns in such a way that > the Dynamic Quality all around you shone through." (Pirsig) > > ".... so that the Dynamic Quality all around you shone through." > > DQ is always there, it is in ever moment, it is the seed of > uncertainty in the organism's immediate experience. It is not "rare", > it is "ALL AROUND YOU". > > "Mystic learning goes in the opposite direction and tries to hold to > the ongoing Dynamic edge of all experience." (Pirsig) > > Also, consider Pirsig's statement, "Static quality...emerges in the > wake of Dynamic Quality". > > Dynamic Quality is the always present NOW, static quality comes > later. There are no "static responses". There is only preferred value > in the wake of the Dynamic moment. > > "Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting edge of reality, the > source of all things, completely simple and always new." (Pirsig) > > Not some reality. Not here and there. Not on occasion. Not to a > select few. ALL reality. ALL things. It is the cutting-edge of > reality itself, the "front edge of his experience" (immediate experience).. > > To get back to your quote. DQ is all around you. Always. It is the > NOW moment of your experience. It contains the potential for > uncertainty. It keeps the cosmos from unaltering stasis. It is what > provides our agency and free will as human beings, and as such MUST > be present at every moment, or else we are reduced to either > automatons or play-dough. The potential for uncertainty IS what makes > us free, what makes all things inherently evolutionary. > > Sure, we as human beings invent many wonderful analogues (in response > to Dynamic Quality), and these analogues represent a preferred way of > responding to immediate experience, and later we see them as a > Gestalt we call "static quality". > > What the record did... was shatter your existing static patterns > (your preferred ways of responding to immediate experience)... in > such a way... that the Dynamic Quality all around you... shone though > (uncertainty led to seeing the world in a non-habituated way). > > Exactly what I've been saying. > > Thanks. > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
