[Michael]
No, I'm not. I made no such assumption. I am investigating what MoQ can tell us
about morality on this issue and am asking questions not making statements.

[Arlo]
I don't want to belabor this. But YOU said, "there is no immediate and obvious
immorality to preventing a pregnancy". This is WRONG. Or at the least
contestable. And you've based this statement on your previous premise that
since "the new pattern begins at conception" then preventing pregnancy is not
immoral. What I said is that the "new pattern" has nothing to do with the
reason why (most) people object to measures that prevent pregnancy.

If you think that's an overgeneralization of me to say that those who find
preventing pregnancy to be immoral base this on social considerations revolving
around the negative social consequences of sexual promiscuity (or the
ungodliness of preventing conception), then I don't know what to say. I think
that's pretty accurate.

I'll reply to the rest later.




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