Hi Mark (WB2) .... That is pretty much my view too. "to temper the irrational product oriented nature of the business".
Or as DMB said in response to Krim ? "Its a cultural problem. Its bigger than science. Its about a scientific world view, materialism, reductionism and efficiency at the expense of quality." Hence my preferred "process" rather than "product" view of life where objects are simply patterns in the dynamic continuum. Do you write / publish anywhere other than this forum WB2 ? Regards Ian (Science plus Quality equals Wisdom) On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:16 AM, markhsmit <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All, > > I believe there is pure science and applied science. It takes a lot of money > to conduct science these days. We are also in a capitalist system where > everything needs to be justified by return on investment. Because of this, > science today is mainly applied science. I hear screams of anguish from the > tax payer when goldfish behavior is being funded.. It is all so money > driven. I have worked in science for many years, and find some of the joy is > removed by the "bottom line". That is not to say that science does not > provide comfort in many cases. But I would agree that the greed of our > system, our insecurity, and need for pleasure, has brought out the demon in > science. This is everybody's fault, you too Marsha. > > It is a hard balance, for me, to work my profession in biotechnology science > and maintain a spiritual outlook. Science has become a manipulative tool > that seems very short sighted. I work daily, in my job, to try to mitigate > the current pleasure principle of science, with reason. There are some of > out there working behind the scenes to try to temper the irrational product > oriented nature of the business. In the end, it may have always been way out > of our control anyway. > > Cheers, > > Willblake2 > > > On Apr 18, 2009, at 6:30:16 PM, "david buchanan" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Marsha said to Krimel: Calling my statements "bitching" and "silly" doesn't > address the issues I raise. Bacon is a man who stated that Nature needed to > be tortured for her to give up her secrets. Come on... > dmb says: > Yea, come on Krimel. The myth of the mad scientist has been in the popular > imagination for a couple centuries now. From Frankenstein's monster to Darth > Vader, the fears inspired by science and technology have taken the shape of > monsters and villians. Even Kafkaesque nightmares about inhuman bureaucracies > get at this same fear of faceless, mechanical rationality. Its no use > pretending you don't know what Marsha is talking about. > In the case of genetically modified crops, for example, the corporations have > introduced seeds from which the farmer can not grow the next generation of > seeds. That way the farmer has to buy new seeds each season. In the interest > of profit, they've engineered a dead seed. What if this artificial mutation > spreads to other seed-bearing plants or even all seed-bearing plants. What > would be left on earth? Not us. The chances are probably very small but with > consequences like that very small is way too big. > Its a cultural problem. Its bigger than science. Its about a scientific world > view, materialism, reductionism and efficiency at the expense of quality. Its > about being overwhelmed and out of balance. Its about loving power and > control rather than peace of mind. > Pretending that Marsha is just making this stuff up won't fly around here. > Its the problem for which ZAMM is the solution, you big snarky square.. She's > giving you all kinds of clues but you just stick your fingers in your ears > and sing "La La La". Its a dern shame. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Rediscover Hotmail®: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. > http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Updates2_042009 > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
