At 02:16 AM 4/20/2009, you wrote:
Hi All,
I believe there is pure science and applied
science. It takes a lot of money to conduct
science these days. We are also in a capitalist
system where everything needs to be justified by
return on investment. Because of this, science
today is mainly applied science. I hear screams
of anguish from the tax payer when goldfish
behavior is being funded.. It is all so money
driven. I have worked in science for many
years, and find some of the joy is removed by
the "bottom line". That is not to say that
science does not provide comfort in many
cases. But I would agree that the greed of our
system, our insecurity, and need for pleasure,
has brought out the demon in science. This is
everybody's fault, you too Marsha.
Will,
Because I have a warm body? Because I have a
computer and love my iPod? Please do explain how
it is my fault. Isn't that like blaming the
chickens for the fox eating them?
Marsha
It is a hard balance, for me, to work my
profession in biotechnology science and maintain
a spiritual outlook. Science has become a
manipulative tool that seems very short
sighted. I work daily, in my job, to try to
mitigate the current pleasure principle of
science, with reason. There are some of out
there working behind the scenes to try to temper
the irrational product oriented nature of the
business. In the end, it may have always been way out of our control anyway.
Cheers,
Willblake2
On Apr 18, 2009, at 6:30:16 PM, "david buchanan"
<[email protected]> wrote:
Marsha said to Krimel: Calling my statements
"bitching" and "silly" doesn't address the
issues I raise. Bacon is a man who stated that
Nature needed to be tortured for her to give up her secrets. Come on...
dmb says:
Yea, come on Krimel. The myth of the mad
scientist has been in the popular imagination
for a couple centuries now. From Frankenstein's
monster to Darth Vader, the fears inspired by
science and technology have taken the shape of
monsters and villians. Even Kafkaesque
nightmares about inhuman bureaucracies get at
this same fear of faceless, mechanical
rationality. Its no use pretending you don't
know what Marsha is talking about.
In the case of genetically modified crops, for
example, the corporations have introduced seeds
from which the farmer can not grow the next
generation of seeds. That way the farmer has to
buy new seeds each season. In the interest of
profit, they've engineered a dead seed. What if
this artificial mutation spreads to other
seed-bearing plants or even all seed-bearing
plants. What would be left on earth? Not us. The
chances are probably very small but with
consequences like that very small is way too big.
Its a cultural problem. Its bigger than science.
Its about a scientific world view, materialism,
reductionism and efficiency at the expense of
quality. Its about being overwhelmed and out of
balance. Its about loving power and control rather than peace of mind.
Pretending that Marsha is just making this stuff
up won't fly around here. Its the problem for
which ZAMM is the solution, you big snarky
square.. She's giving you all kinds of clues but
you just stick your fingers in your ears and sing "La La La". Its a dern shame.
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