Hi Marsha, I don't remember using polluting in the traditional sense, but yes, computers, ipods, and automobiles are polluting your spirit. And no, I am not a preacher. Your spirit is what is left when you take everything outside of you away. And by "you" I do not mean your body (that is also outside of you), I mean the true you.
Science pollutes as much as anything else. Willblake2 On Apr 21, 2009, at 1:29:29 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: At 10:51 PM 4/20/2009, you wrote: >Hi Marsha, > >No, it's not the warm body. It's our need to satisfy an inner longing >with objects out there. Were people happy before ipods?, before computers, >before cars? This appetite is insatiable by definition. We can never get >enough from out there to satisfy what is within, but we keep trying. Greetings Will, It amazes me that you want to point to my use of an automobile, computer and iPod polluting, but you don't not want to acknowledge how Science pollutes. JfC, you are amazing!!! > The U.S. >is probably the most extreme in this case, God >is gone, and there is nothing to >replace it. I am not religious, but I do >believe in spirituality that arrises from >within. God and religion are great at keeping people from asking questions, it is understandable that you might mourn the loss. > So, if you drive a car, use the computer, and have an ipod (I am now pretty >certain of the latter two), you are part of the >problem. This country revolves >around what people want (or at least what they are told they want), you too. And the "science" that manufactures the wanting is also to be ignored!!! >This is my opinion, of course. > >Cheers, >Willblake2 Marsha >On Apr 20, 2009, at 2:28:23 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >At 02:16 AM 4/20/2009, you wrote: > >Hi All, > > > >I believe there is pure science and applied > >science. It takes a lot of money to conduct > >science these days. We are also in a capitalist > >system where everything needs to be justified by > >return on investment. Because of this, science > >today is mainly applied science. I hear screams > >of anguish from the tax payer when goldfish > >behavior is being funded.. It is all so money > >driven. I have worked in science for many > >years, and find some of the joy is removed by > >the "bottom line". That is not to say that > >science does not provide comfort in many > >cases. But I would agree that the greed of our > >system, our insecurity, and need for pleasure, > >has brought out the demon in science. This is > >everybody's fault, you too Marsha. > >Will, > >Because I have a warm body? Because I have a >computer and love my iPod? Please do explain how >it is my fault. Isn't that like blaming the >chickens for the fox eating them? > >Marsha > > > > >It is a hard balance, for me, to work my > >profession in biotechnology science and maintain > >a spiritual outlook. Science has become a > >manipulative tool that seems very short > >sighted. I work daily, in my job, to try to > >mitigate the current pleasure principle of > >science, with reason. There are some of out > >there working behind the scenes to try to temper > >the irrational product oriented nature of the > >business. In the end, it may have always been way out of our control anyway. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Willblake2 > > > > > >On Apr 18, 2009, at 6:30:16 PM, "david buchanan" > ><[email protected]> wrote: > > > >Marsha said to Krimel: Calling my statements > >"bitching" and "silly" doesn't address the > >issues I raise. Bacon is a man who stated that > >Nature needed to be tortured for her to give up her secrets. Come on... > >dmb says: > >Yea, come on Krimel. The myth of the mad > >scientist has been in the popular imagination > >for a couple centuries now. From Frankenstein's > >monster to Darth Vader, the fears inspired by > >science and technology have taken the shape of > >monsters and villians. Even Kafkaesque > >nightmares about inhuman bureaucracies get at > >this same fear of faceless, mechanical > >rationality. Its no use pretending you don't > >know what Marsha is talking about. > >In the case of genetically modified crops, for > >example, the corporations have introduced seeds > >from which the farmer can not grow the next > >generation of seeds. That way the farmer has to > >buy new seeds each season. In the interest of > >profit, they've engineered a dead seed. What if > >this artificial mutation spreads to other > >seed-bearing plants or even all seed-bearing > >plants. What would be left on earth? Not us. The > >chances are probably very small but with > >consequences like that very small is way too big. > >Its a cultural problem. Its bigger than science. > >Its about a scientific world view, materialism, > >reductionism and efficiency at the expense of > >quality. Its about being overwhelmed and out of > >balance. Its about loving power and control rather than peace of mind. > >Pretending that Marsha is just making this stuff > >up won't fly around here. Its the problem for > >which ZAMM is the solution, you big snarky > >square.. She's giving you all kinds of clues but > >you just stick your fingers in your ears and > sing "La La La". 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