Ron,
I'm talking, like Bo, of the explanatory strength
of the MOQ. It seems to me that if it is clearly
stated that the Intellectual Level is of
subject/object patterns it becomes very clear
that dwelling in the Intellectual Level (no how
exalted it seems) is not going to get you to the MOQ point-of-view.
Marsha
At 08:43 AM 5/21/2009, you wrote:
Marsha, I think the point is clinging to that
entrapment. It takes a bravery and a
fearlessness to overcome it. As the Sophists say
and many others, excellence is a practice, like
the entrapment. We were taught to practice s/o
over a long period of growth like wise we must
teach ourselves and reinforce excellence over a
long peroid of growth. The impossiblity of
escape disolves with the practice of excellence.
I have found the four agreements works well
within the four levels of excellence and
reinforces their meaning. Ruiz says that by
slowly breaking the agreements made with the
small self and replacing them with the
agreements of Quality, through practice we will
be free of it. they are: Â BE IMPECCABLE WITH
YOUR WORD Speak with integrity. Say only what
you mean. Avoid using the word to speak against
yourself or to gossip about others. Use the
power of your word in the direction of truth and
love. DONâT TAKE ANYTHING PERSONALLY Nothing
others do is because of you. What others say and
do is a projection of their own reality, their
own dream. When you are immune to the opinions
of others, you wonât be the victim of needless
suffering. DONâT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS Find the
courage to ask questions and to express what you
really want. Communicate with others as clearly
as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness,
and drama. With just this one agreement, you can
completely transform your life. ALWAYS DO YOUR
BEST Your best is going to change from moment to
moment; it will be different when you are
healthy as opposed to sick. Under any
circumstance, simply do your best, and you will
avoid self-judgment, self-abuse, and regret.
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2009 5:50:48 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Protestant
Capitalism Ron, Don't you think Bo has a valid
point. It seems impossible to breakaway from
the subject/object chatter which is entrapment.
Marsha At 04:17 AM 5/21/2009, you
wrote: >Ron > >On 19 May you wrote: > > > Are
you saying that Platt is on firm MoQ ground by
being > > anti-intellectual? > >Yes, the
greatest obstacle is the 4th. level because -
prior to the MOQ >- it was
reality itself (like the 3rd and 2nd. and
1st have been in their >time) Platt isn't
"anti-intellectual", but sees the 4th. level
for >what it is, >namely a static level that
refuses a dynamic pattern to form a new >reality
The MOQ is of course no static level, but in
this particular >context it has a level-like
relationship with intellect. > > > Also, are you
saying that ALL intellectual patterns are more
moral than > > social patterns? > >Yes,
intellect is the highest static level, yet the
mere knowledge of the >dynamic/static context
(that the upper level is dependent the
lower >level for its own good) prevents
intellect from undermining its social >base. The
big question is if it prevents the MOQ from
undermining its >own base - intellect - I mean
if it can go on after being reduced to a >static
level? (footnote). > > > Essentially you are
saying that no one knows intellectual quality
unless > > they subscribe to your SOL.
-Ron > >That's right, but it isn't really "my
SOL" In ZAMM's proto-moq there is >just one
"static" (classic) level - the SOM - but it's
also called >"intellect" >so it was clearly
Phaedrus's original idea. And in LILA there are
many >indications that SOM is no foreign matter
that has polluted intellect, but >the very
article. > >IMO > >Bo > > >Footnote: >This is
the "intellect joining forces with biology to
quell society" >phenomenon brought one notch
up. The MOQ joining forces with >social value to
quell intellect. This would be a disaster and
why I at >times wonder about the MOQ. It's valid
as .... but is it GOOD? >Perhaps better let it
continue in its harmless "academical" vein,
letting . >Anthony McWatt and David Buchanan be
the administrators of
Pirsig's >legacy. > > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing
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