Marsha, what do you say to changing this thread to the "Quality of being" or something?
________________________________ From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:25:27 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Protestant Capitalism Ron, You are suggesting a MOQ group dance? If it is clearly understood as a paradox, that while using the intellect one must be mindfully cautious of the dangers of entrapment, and move beyond them. Buddhism certainly has the same problems, at least in translating its Wisdom for the West. Can you suggest any alternative? Yes, meditation, of course, but how many on this list practice a regular mindfulness or meditation? Do you have a regular meditation practice? All we have is some linguistical explanation. Marsha At 08:54 AM 5/21/2009, you wrote: > Marsha, But that is what Bo is saying, that only through intellect may we > come to the MoQ. -Ron ________________________________ From: MarshaV > <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 21, > 2009 8:50:59 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Protestant Capitalism Ron, I'm talking, > like Bo, of the explanatory strength of the MOQ. It seems to me that if it > is clearly stated that the Intellectual Level is of subject/object patterns > it becomes very clear that dwelling in the Intellectual Level (no how exalted > it seems) is not going to get you to the MOQ point-of-view. Marsha At 08:43 > AM 5/21/2009, you wrote: > Marsha, I think the point is clinging to that > entrapment. It takes a bravery and a fearlessness to overcome it. As the > Sophists say and many others, excellence is a practice, like the entrapment. > We were taught to practice s/o over a long period of growth like wise we must > teach ourselves and reinforce excellence over a long peroid of growth. The impossiblity of escape disolves with the practice of excellence. I have found the four agreements works well within the four levels of excellence and reinforces their meaning. Ruiz says that by slowly breaking the agreements made with the small self and replacing them with the agreements of Quality, through practice we will be free of it. they are:  BE IMPECCABLE WITH YOUR WORD Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the word to speak against yourself or to gossip about others. Use the power of your word in the direction of truth and love. DON’T TAKE ANYTHING PERSONALLYLLY Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune to the opinions of others, you won’t be the victim of needless suffering. DONââ’T MAKE ASSUMPTIONS Find the courage to ask questionss and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness, and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life. ALWAYS DO YOUR BEST Your best is going to change from moment to moment; it will be different when you are healthy as opposed to sick. Under any circumstance, simply do your best, and you will avoid self-judgment, self-abuse, and regret.    ________________________________ From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:50:48 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Protestant Capitalism Ron, Don't you think Bo has a valid point. It seems impossible to breakaway from the subject/object chatter which is entrapment. Marsha At 04:17 AM 5/21/2009, you wrote: >Ron > >On 19 May you wrote: > > > Are you saying that Platt is on firm MoQ ground by being > > anti-intellectual? > >Yes, the greatest obstacle is the 4th. level because - prior to the MOQ >- it was reality itself (like the 3rd and 2nd. and 1st have been in their >time) Platt isn't "anti-intellectual", but sees the 4th. level for >what it is, >namely a static level that refuses a dynamic pattern to form a new >reality The MOQ is of course no static level, but in this particular >context it has a level-like relationship with intellect. > > > Also, are you saying that ALL intellectual patterns are more moral than > > social patterns? > >Yes, intellect is the highest static level, yet the mere knowledge of the >dynamic/static context (that the upper level is dependent the lower >level for its own good) prevents intellect from undermining its social >base. The big question is if it prevents the MOQ from undermining its >own base - intellect - I mean if it can go on after being reduced to a >static level? (footnote). > > > Essentially you are saying that no one knows intellectual quality unless > > they subscribe to your SOL. -Ron > >That's right, but it isn't really "my SOL" In ZAMM's proto-moq there is >just one "static" (classic) level - the SOM - but it's also called >"intellect" >so it was clearly Phaedrus's original idea. And in LILA there are many >indications that SOM is no foreign matter that has polluted intellect, but >the very article. > >IMO > >Bo > > >Footnote: >This is the "intellect joining forces with biology to quell society" >phenomenon brought one notch up. The MOQ joining forces with >social value to quell intellect. This would be a disaster and why I at >times wonder about the MOQ. It's valid as .... but is it GOOD? >Perhaps better let it continue in its harmless "academical" vein, letting . >Anthony McWatt and David Buchanan be the administrators of Pirsig's >legacy. > > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_d iscuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moq iscuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >>http://lists.moqta lk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http >lk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http:/ >/moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ . _____________ The self is a >thought-flow of ever-changing, interrelated and interconnected, inorganic, >biological, social and intellectual, static patterns of value responding to >Dynamic Quality. . . 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