Ron,
Don't you think Bo has a valid point. It seems impossible to
breakaway from the subject/object chatter which is entrapment.
Marsha
At 04:17 AM 5/21/2009, you wrote:
Ron
On 19 May you wrote:
> Are you saying that Platt is on firm MoQ ground by being
> anti-intellectual?
Yes, the greatest obstacle is the 4th. level because - prior to the MOQ
- it was reality itself (like the 3rd and 2nd. and 1st have been in their
time) Platt isn't "anti-intellectual", but sees the 4th. level for
what it is,
namely a static level that refuses a dynamic pattern to form a new
reality The MOQ is of course no static level, but in this particular
context it has a level-like relationship with intellect.
> Also, are you saying that ALL intellectual patterns are more moral than
> social patterns?
Yes, intellect is the highest static level, yet the mere knowledge of the
dynamic/static context (that the upper level is dependent the lower
level for its own good) prevents intellect from undermining its social
base. The big question is if it prevents the MOQ from undermining its
own base - intellect - I mean if it can go on after being reduced to a
static level? (footnote).
> Essentially you are saying that no one knows intellectual quality unless
> they subscribe to your SOL. -Ron
That's right, but it isn't really "my SOL" In ZAMM's proto-moq there is
just one "static" (classic) level - the SOM - but it's also called
"intellect"
so it was clearly Phaedrus's original idea. And in LILA there are many
indications that SOM is no foreign matter that has polluted intellect, but
the very article.
IMO
Bo
Footnote:
This is the "intellect joining forces with biology to quell society"
phenomenon brought one notch up. The MOQ joining forces with
social value to quell intellect. This would be a disaster and why I at
times wonder about the MOQ. It's valid as .... but is it GOOD?
Perhaps better let it continue in its harmless "academical" vein, letting .
Anthony McWatt and David Buchanan be the administrators of Pirsig's
legacy.
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