Bo, Also, are you saying that ALL intellectual patterns are more moral than social patterns?
________________________________ From: X Acto <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:39:14 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Protestant Capitalism Bo, Are you saying that Platt is on firm MoQ ground by being anti-intellectual? ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:22:50 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Protestant Capitalism Platt, DMB and old & new participants 18 May Platt wrote: > What DMB omits from his slanted left-wing socialist interpretation of > the MOQ is the following: > "In the time that Phaedrus grew up, intellect was dominant over > society, but the results of the new social looseness weren't turning > out as predicted. Something was wrong. The world was no doubt in > better shape intellectually and technologically but despite that, > somehow, the "quality" of it was not good. There was no way you could > say why this quality was no good. You just felt it." (Lila, 22) > So much for intellectual control of society. On this issue Platt is on solid MOQ ground. The intellectual level's dominance of the social level - without MOQ's level knowledge to moderate it - has caused much social insecurity. This is what great parts of LILA is about. and this will continue until the MOQ is understood correctly, i.e. in the SOL light. Look to Pirsig's above "...in better shape intellectually and technologically". Science is SOM's foremost pattern, thus SOM is no foreign object that has entered the 4th level, but the very article. No level can "check" itself, the 3rd. went all out in a social frenzy whiled it was "leading edge", humans as biological organisms (2nd. level value) was valuable only to the degree they were willing to sacrifice themselves for "the common cause". We still see it in the social value-steeped cultures - particularly the islamic one - where the individual has no chance if not part of the faith and the will to sacrifice the highest good. It was not until intellectual value emerged that individual worth and humanism gradually took precedence. But intellect is a static level and can as little check itself as the rest and its relentless subduing of social value knows no limit and has caused the said looseness and insecurity. Intellect's S/O don't recognize any personal responsibility, we are either determined by our genes (objectivity) or victims of social injustice (subjectivity) . Only from MOQ's meta-level can the complete picture be seen, but this requires the 4th level to be regarded as initially intended. As long as we want the MOQ accepted by intellect's (=academy's) terms ... forget it. Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
