[Marsha] Is the feedback other than Quality(static and Dynamic)? [Krimel] What could that even be? I have never heard of such a thing. Do you have an example in mind?
================================================= At 01:21 PM 5/30/2009, you wrote: >[Marsha] >Is it that the self (static patterns of value) is a constituent of >Quality, but too often mistakes itself for the generator of Quality? > >[ron] >I like that Marsha. > >[Krimel] >I like it too except that sometimes the self is a generator of Quality. >Sure we are mistaken a lot, but every once in a while don't you look at >something you have done and say, "It is Good." > >Ron: >I agree, positive feedback loop. > >[Krimel] >Just to be nitpicky but without negative feedback to dampen it, a positive >feedback loop oscillates out of control back into chaos. But it may just be >that I have more experience with negative feedback. I look at most of stuff >I have done and say, "It is shit." Maybe it is just the lean schedule but I >have found a little bit of positive feedback goes a long way. > >[Willblake2] >A positive feedback loop oscillates itself into chaos, or back into chaos. > This topic seems interesting. >I was wondering if there was a breaking point, and what causes it. Is it >possible that chaos is a >very complex positive loop, or perhaps just a loop iteself? I need to brush >up on Chaos theory, >it's been a while. Like, where is the distinction between chaos and order. > How does Chaos apply to >Quality. Sometimes I think that all forms of thought are rooted in Quality. > >[Krimel] >At least as I understand it, order emerges from chaos. Order is a subset of >chaos. But a really deep answer to the question is that order is a >perceptual phenomena. It is the results of our effort to extract meaning >from experience. We detect patterns or common features of our experience. By >comparing immediate impressions with past experience we construct categories >for classifying experience. These categories are discrete patterns derived >from the continuous flow of experience. They are our way of imposing order >on a dynamic flow. We create a static foreground out of the dynamic >background. But as you can see by reading these threads a whole lot of >confusion comes from confusing our categories for the flow from which they >are derived. > >As a side note I think that the result of a positive feedback loop depends >on what is looping. With a microphone and amplifier, for example, it depends >on how robust the electronics of the amplifier are and how well the speakers >are built. But regardless of how well they are built, they will eventually >destroy themselves in a nonlinear fashion. > > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ . _____________ The self is a thought-flow of ever-changing, interrelated and interconnected, inorganic, biological, social and intellectual, static patterns of value responding to Dynamic Quality. . . Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
