John to Andre: Denying the I as in primary reality? I deny that as well. Sorry Ham, I don't believe the world arises out of my own consciousness. But denying the I as a real entity that sits here and types at you?
Andre: Hi John, how can you reject/deny the I in 'primary reality' and desperately cling to it as a 'real entity'? John: But just because something is "only in your head" does that mean it doesn't exist? Don't be silly. The law of gravity is only in your head, but it meets all the criteria for existence that matter. Just ask Mr. Robert Pirsig in one of them books he wrote. Andre: Still, it is interesting that Mr Robert Pirsig argues the immorality of murder not because of the one fine ego that may be blown away but the IDEAS the person may come up with. John: Now you mentioned the sages being hard pressed. I can get that. Logical reductionists can really tear words and meanings down, just trying to make their "points" - to the point where the sage (who's always trying to be a nice guy and communicate to the bozos) admits, "yeah, if you got that definition of an ego, it doesn't really exist." It's a matter of syntactical grace I suppose. Ask Arlo. Andre: Perhaps, John, it is because I grew up in a rather large family (no privacy and all that stuff) that somewhere between the id and the super ego my 'ego' got squashed to such proportions that it is of no importance to me. Maybe I am traumatised yeah, shit, you gotta be somebody!! You gotta be autonomous,you gotta be independent, you gotta have a personal opinion, you gotta stand for something, you shouldn't stand this shit, you should this, you should that. Yeah! Nobody can touch you, you're a fuckin' individual (Gazza, Geelong Aussie rules player) John: But you can't get along without an I, dude. They come in handier than a sharp chainsaw. Andre: Yep...to pay one's taxes, join a health fund, have a bank account, go on the payroll, vote in elections, have a driver's licence to drive, have a passport to travel, get married, get fined, get you out of a house on fire, get a loan, die... so they know to put what name on your tombstone. All fun put together John, yes it is SOCIALLY very handy, biologically no-one gives a fuck and intellectually we are only a concept...no? Cheers Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
