Hi Dave,
ie subjects, predicates and relations between them are all concepts,
whereas quality is reality.
Seems fair enough.

Interesting in those selections (apart from the use of the term
"squares") is this sentence:
"Any philosophic explanation of Quality is going to be both false and
true precisely because it is a philosophic explanation."

I like the Quine-like quality.

Ian

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:09 PM, david buchanan<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >From chapter 20 of ZAMM:
> He'd been speculating about the relationship of Quality to mind and matter 
> and had identified Quality as the parent of mind and matter, that event which 
> gives birth to mind and matter. This Copernican inversion of the relationship 
> of Quality to the objective world could sound mysterious if not carefully 
> explained, but he didn't mean it to be mysterious. He simply meant that at 
> the cutting edge of time, before an object can be distinguished, there must 
> be a kind of nonintellectual awareness, which he called awareness of Quality. 
> You can't be aware that you've seen a tree until after you've seen the tree, 
> and between the instant of vision and instant of awareness there must be a 
> time lag. We sometimes think of that time lag as unimportant, But there's no 
> justification for thinking that the time lag is unimportant...none whatsoever.
> The past exists only in our memories, the future only in our plans. The 
> present is our only reality. The tree that you are aware of intellectually, 
> because of that small time lag, is always in the past and therefore is always 
> unreal. Any intellectually conceived object is always in the past and 
> therefore unreal. Reality is always the moment of vision before the 
> intellectualization takes place. There is no other reality. This 
> preintellectual reality is what Phædrus felt he had properly identified as 
> Quality. Since all intellectually identifiable things must emerge from this 
> preintellectual reality, Quality is the parent, the source of all subjects 
> and objects.
>
>
> Squares, he said, because of their prejudices toward intellectuality usually 
> regard Quality, the preintellectual reality, as unimportant, a mere 
> uneventful transition period between objective reality and subjective 
> perception of it. Because they have preconceived ideas of its unimportance 
> they don't seek to find out if it's in any way different from their 
> intellectual conception of it.
>
> In answer to his colleagues at school he wrote:
> "Any philosophic explanation of Quality is going to be both false and true 
> precisely because it is a philosophic explanation. The process of philosophic 
> explanation is an analytic process, a process of breaking something down into 
> subjects and predicates. What I mean (and everybody else means) by the word 
> quality cannot be broken down into subjects and predicates. This is not 
> because Quality is so mysterious but because Quality is so simple, immediate 
> and direct.
> "The easiest intellectual analogue of pure Quality that people in our 
> environment can understand is that `Quality is the response of an organism to 
> its environment' (he used this example because his chief questioners seemed 
> to see things in terms of stimulus-response behavior theory). An amoeba, 
> placed on a plate of water with a drip of dilute sulfuric acid placed nearby, 
> will pull away from the acid (I think). If it could speak the amoeba, without 
> knowing anything about sulfuric acid, could say, `This environment has poor 
> quality.' If it had a nervous system it would act in a much more complex way 
> to overcome the poor quality of the environment. It would seek analogues, 
> that is, images and symbols from its previous experience, to define the 
> unpleasant nature of its new environment and thus `understand' it.
> "In our highly complex organic state we advanced organisms respond to our 
> environment with an invention of many marvelous analogues. We invent earth 
> and heavens, trees, stones and oceans, gods, music, arts, language, 
> philosophy, engineering, civilization and science. We call these analogues 
> reality. And they are reality. We mesmerize our children in the name of truth 
> into knowing that they are reality. We throw anyone who does not accept these 
> analogues into an insane asylum. But that which causes us to invent the 
> analogues is Quality. Quality is the continuing stimulus which our 
> environment puts upon us to create the world in which we live. All of it. 
> Every last bit of it.
> "Now, to take that which has caused us to create the world, and include it 
> within the world we have created, is clearly impossible. That is why Quality 
> cannot be defined. If we do define it we are defining something less than 
> Quality itself."
> I remember this fragment more vividly than any of the others, possibly 
> because it is the most important of all. When he wrote it he felt momentary 
> fright and was about to strike out the words "All of it. Every last bit of 
> it." Madness there. I think he saw it. But he couldn't see any logical reason 
> to strike these words out and it was too late now for faintheartedness. He 
> ignored his warning and let the words stand.
>
>
>
>
> >From chapter 28 of ZAMM:
>
>
> Now it comes! Because Quality is the generator of the mythos. That's it. 
> That's what he meant when he said, "Quality is the continuing stimulus which 
> causes us to create the world in which we live. All of it. Every last bit of 
> it." Religion isn't invented by man. Men are invented by religion. Men invent 
> responses to Quality, and among these responses is an understanding of what 
> they themselves are. You know something and then the Quality stimulus hits 
> and then you try to define the Quality stimulus, but to define it all you've 
> got to work with is what you know. So your definition is made up of what you 
> know. It's an analogue to what you already know. It has to be. It can't be 
> anything else. And the mythos grows this way. By analogies to what is known 
> before. The mythos is a building of analogues upon analogues upon analogues. 
> These fill the collective consciousness of all communicating mankind. Every 
> last bit of it. The Quality is the track that directs the train. What is 
> outside the train, to either side...that is the terra incognita of the 
> insane. He knew that to understand Quality he would have to leave the mythos. 
> That's why he felt that slippage. He knew something was about to happen.
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> dmb says:
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> I guess these paragraphs speak for themselves but let me say that that the 
> point in posting them is to show the meaning of the distinction between 
> concepts and reality.
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