dmb says: I think you're exactly right here. Wish I'd said it that well. Thanks.
Steve said: > What I mean by the historical perspective is the MOQ hierarchy of > value patterns which is based on the evolutionary view of the > universe unfolding over billions of years. The hierarchy is justified > based on time where the types of patterns evolved in a specific > order. From this perspective inorganic patterns come first. But > Pirsig uses terms like "pre-intellectual awareness" to describe DQ as > well. Certainly he is not talking about inorganic patterns which are > also "pre-intellectual" in the historical perspective. Instead, DQ as > pre-intellectual makes sense from the empirical perspective where > time itself is not a given but derived from experience. From this > perspective ideas come first which include such ideas as the > evolutionary view of the universe unfolding over billions of years > which justifies the MOQ hierarchy. > > As to whether there is anything significant about claims versus > perspectives, all I mean is that it is important to take into account > on which perspective a given claim that Pirsig makes is based. > I think the MOQ hierarchy is an attempt to demonstrate DQ/sq at work > through history, but if you want to understand DQ, it is the radical > empirical perspective that is most important since DQ is the leading > edge of experience. But I also tend to think that the less said about > DQ the better. It is a koan--a concept representing the > conceptionally unknown. I think the point is to think of the > conceptually unknown as an immediate quality stimulus instead of an > indifferent universe waiting to be discovered and evaluated. > > As for "two different senses"--that is a gross understatement for a > term that is infinitely definable and thus left better undefined. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
