Andre:
I am beginning to wonder to what extent the
intellectual level dominates the play in patterning the undifferentiated?
Just laterally drifting.
Ron prev:
I'd say, most all of it?
levels spring from the intellectual. inorganic,organic and social
are intellectual patterns of value, the intellectual level, is an
intellectual pattern of value.
Andre:
Hi Ron, this is a bit confusing in a similar way that Annotation 102 is
confusing where Pirsig argues that 'the key to integrating the MoQ with
science (SOM) is through philosophic idealism, which says that objects grow
out of ideas, not the other way around...'
I find it confusing because, going back to ZMM for a minute, when Phaedrus
was asked by the philosophy professor: What comes first? Phaedrus knew it
wasn't even rhetoric, it was Quality.
Out of the Quality event evolved the inorganic, organic social and
intellectual levels...and since the MoQ adheres to the Darwinian theory of
evolution (as a high quality intellectual pattern whereby DQ is posited as
the 'driving force') in that specific order.
Ron:
Thats a good example of what I'm refering to. Apllied to Darwinism
it explains evolution more inclusivly, an example of how MoQ may
be integrated with science, keeping in mind that it is of the school
of what is considered "philosphic idealism" it explains evolution
in terms of value. Expanding it.
Ron prev:
this second way accepts the first
method and does not reject much of anything other than it's absolute-ness in
thought,
the belief that there is one and only one true way to interpret experience. The
"Gods
eye" view.
Andre:
I agree with the stucknes and gumption traps but suggesting a 'God's eye'
view is a bit much Ron.
To what extent is this view grounded in experience?
Ron:
read again, it rejects the "gods eye view"
a view of absolute certainty.
Ron:
But the main revealation the MoQ brings to the table, is that experience can
be differentiated and interpreted in many different ways.
Andre:
And this interpretation is mediated through the intellectual level which
emerged from the social level which emerged from the organic level which
emerged from the inorganic level which emerged from DQ
Ron:
Which is a static intellectual concept about experience.
(a high quality one) but if you take that statement as
objectivily true.......
see what I mean?
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