Andre: I am beginning to wonder to what extent the intellectual level dominates the play in patterning the undifferentiated? Just laterally drifting.
Ron: I'd say most?all of it. The four levels spring from the intellectual. inorganic,organic and social are intellectual patterns of value, the intellectual level, is an intellectual pattern of value. Andre: Hi Ron, this is a bit confusing in a similar way that Annotation 102 is confusing where Pirsig argues that 'the key to integrating the MoQ with science (SOM) is through philosophic idealism, which says that objects grow out of ideas, not the other way around...' I find it confusing because, going back to ZMM for a minute, when Phaedrus was asked by the philosophy professor: What comes first? Phaedrus knew it wasn't even rhetoric, it was Quality. Out of the Quality event evolved the inorganic, organic social and intellectual levels...and since the MoQ adheres to the Darwinian theory of evolution (as a high quality intellectual pattern whereby DQ is posited as the 'driving force') in that specific order. Ron: But the main revealation the MoQ brings to the table, is that experience can be differentiated and interpreted in many different ways. Andre: And this interpretation is mediated through the intellectual level which emerged from the social level which emerged from the organic level which emerged from the inorganic level which emerged from DQ Ron: Overcoming "stuck-ness" and gumption traps...this second way accepts the first method and does not reject much of anything other than it's absolute-ness in thought, the belief that there?is one and only one true way to interpret experience. The "Gods eye" view. Andre: I agree with the stucknes and gumption traps but suggesting a 'God's eye' view is a bit much Ron. To what extent is this view grounded in experience? The intellectual level is a filtering process without which we would not be able to operate. The MoQ is the most transparent filter to date and at the same time suggests to keep our feet firmly on the ground. imho. Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
