[Platt]
DQ is freedom, a productive force.

[Arlo]
DQ is freedom, to be sure, but its not "productive". To say otherwise is self-contradictory, like saying "slavery is freedom".

Consider my previous example, saying "the sun controls the temperature on our planet". I think everyone would read this and understand that this is quite a metaphoric use of the word "control". No one envisions the sun being slightly concerned with, nor respective of, our planet. No one envisions the sun acting with intent, nor deliberate orchestration to "make" our temperature any certain way.

As I had shown John, such word use also become silly when you could also say "the distance between the sun and earth controls the earth's temperature", or "the Van Allen Radiation Belt controls the earth's temperature". You could also say that "thermohaline circulation in the oceans controls the earth's temperature", and even that "the ozone layer controls the earth's temperature". At this point "control" is pretty much meaningless in any real way. It simply becomes that everything is "controlled" by everything in its experiential field.

Much, much better to say, "the earth's temperature is a response TO these combined things". It says the same thing, does not dilute "control" (or "create") into meaningless expressions, and preserves the understanding that nothing is orchestrating any of this.

"Produce", like "create" and "control", are action verbs. Quality does not "act", Quality simply "is". And it is in response TO Quality, that "acts" occur.

It is subatomic particles that "act", in response to DQ. It is not "DQ" does does this action.

And again, you continue to miss that the "freedom" in the system to which you pay lipservice entails "chance", the unexpected, the unknown. If you really profess to acknowledging "freedom", the "beginning response to DQ" that the cosmos is built upon, then welcome to the possibility, or chance, that you or I and humankind may never have been here.

You continue to want "freedom" and "certainty", and you simply can't. Well, not within the MOQ. Maybe Qualigod gives you that, but theism always has.


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