All of which begs the question, "What produced the patterns that respond? "The force of evolutionary creation isn't contained by substance.. Substance is just one kind of static pattern left behind by .the creative force." (Lila, 17)
On 18 Nov 2009 at 16:49, Arlo Bensinger wrote: > [Platt] > (Lila, 11 -- caps added to highlight "action verbs.") > > [Arlo] > You can cite Holy Writ all you want, Platt. The point is, if you take > these metaphors "literally", you completely eliminate "freedom" from the MOQ. > > Again, here's a passage from LILA that captures the MOQ much better. > > "When inorganic patterns of reality create life the Metaphysics of > Quality postulates that they've done so because it's "better" and > that this definition of "betterness" -this beginning response to > Dynamic Quality-is an elementary unit of ethics..." (LILA) > > Here we see a much more accurate description. The "act" is done the > by "inorganic patterns of reality" in RESPONSE TO Dynamic Quality. > > I appreciate, and understand, why you can't respond to any > substantive point I make, preferring only to cite as Writ those > passages that appear to present Quality as a Grand Designer, but it > is just not so. > > I provided this before, but its worth repeating. In Guidebook to ZMM, > DiSanto writes: > > "The parallel concerns the dynamics of creation-more specifically, > the fact that the created world comes into being through the > interaction of a polarity, a complementary twosome. > > In the Taoist scheme of things, the Tao, the unnameable One, gives > rise to the myriad nameable things by way of the Two, yin and yang. > The Tao is neither yin nor yang but is the ground of both and > permeates both. Yin and yang produce by their interaction all that > can be named and defined. In Phaedrus' parallel scheme, as I > understand it, Quality, the unnameable One, gives rise to the myriad > nameable things by way of the Two, subject and object. Quality is > neither subject nor object but is the ground of both and permeates > both." (Guidebook to ZMM) > > Quality is the "ground". It is the foundation. It is a "source" to be > sure, but creation is the polaric response of a pattern to its > experience. DiSanto understand what you continue to bury your head in > the sand about. > > Like last time, I doubt you'll answer this, but if "DQ invents > thing", what about, say, Edison? Did he not "invent" in response TO Quality? > > Finally, you once again pay only lipservice to freedom, preferring > instead to demand a Grand Agent whose purposeful orchestrations > bestow meaning to your existence. I am sorry you need that, but that > may explain why you are trying to turn Quality into Qualigod. > > "The easiest intellectual analogue of pure Quality that people in our > environment can understand is that 'Quality is the response of an > organism to its environment'". Which is, I'm sorry to tell Pirsig, > not so easy, since you continue to completely and entirely miss it. > > More. > > "We invent earth and heavens, trees, stones and oceans, gods, music, > arts, language, philosophy, engineering, civilization and science. We > call these analogues reality. And they are reality. We mesmerize our > children in the name of truth into knowing that they are reality. We > throw anyone who does not accept these analogues into an insane > asylum. But that which causes us to invent the analogues is Quality. > Quality is the continuing stimulus which our environment puts upon us > to create the world in which we live. All of it. Every last bit of it/" > > There. Read that last sentence again. > > "Quality is the continuing stimulus which our environment puts upon > us to create the world in which we live." (ZMM) > > Maybe once you understand this, you'll start to see this more clearly. > > From LILA: "They do not just change valuelessly. They change in ways > that evade, override and circumvent these laws. The patterns of life > are constantly evolving IN RESPONSE TO something "better" than that > which these laws have to offer." (LILA) > > Since you prefer Writ. Here's but one more. > > "By contrast the Metaphysics of Quality, also going back to square > one, says that man is composed of static levels of patterns of > evolution with a capability of response to Dynamic Quality." (LILA) > > The freedom here is that DQ does not order, orchestrate, plan, > control, manipulate or do any of these things. The freedom here is in > MAN to ACT in RESPONSE to Quality. > > As it is on ALL the MOQs levels. > > Again. Quality does not "act", Quality simply "is". > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
