Hi Marsha Having all the time on my hand I may start a Ron-Marsha exchange
28 Dec. Marsha wrote: > Based on what do you determine an actual Jesus to be the first carrier > of intellectual values in the midst the socially-steeped Jewish > culture? It was applying MOQ "magic wand" to this issue that revealed this new and baffling result, like Einstein (no comparison otherwise) it just popped up in my equation. > Since Jesus, if he actually existed, never wrote anything, the accounts > of his doctrine differs among the different 2nd-person and 3rd-person > accounts, and the established dogma was rewritten and made law > centuries later. Agree, the Paul-made "Christendom" and its dogmas just continued in the "social" trend for more than fifteen hundred years with a slightly more complicated divine family, but even this pollution of monotheism disturbed people of the region and Islam occurred as a shore against it. > It is all socially- constructed story plumped up with a logic that was > probably misinterpreted out of context from texts written by Plato and > Aristotle. Do we even have a copy of any text written in Plato's or > Aristotle's own hand? Agree, even more. After Christendom became a Roman state religion it became profoundly Greek-influenced. Plato I don't know, but at least Aristotle was made a "Church Father" and through this SOM influence mankind got a soul different from the body, and this was what could be saved, and by way of much dogmatic changes, the soul only needed saving by faith alone. An here we see the Social-Intellect borderline between Semitism (Judaism & Islam) and Christendom. The soul/body distinction is unknown in Semitic culture, there is no faith, only rituals. A Jew can't "go to paradise" if his foreskin is in place, nor can a Muslim if s/he eats pork ...plus umpteen other prescriptions. The Koran and Tora are filled to the brim with such stuff.. > Based on what? Based on what? Based on what??? Based on > your saying so doesn't make it a viable anything. Based on my feeble intelligence re-programmed with the MOQ revealed this context. > Your Jesus interpretation certainly isn't extracted from the MoQ, so > where is it coming from? Not that Pirsig exactly say so, or does he? I have a hunch that he touches this in some place. Now that I have the complete LILA (thank you so much) I will try to find it. At least I know that he regards the Islam vs West conflict as an aspect of the Social/Intellectual struggle (I had a letter from him shortly after the Sep.11 "incident". Write soon ;-) Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
