Hi Bo, What is this Jesus pattern you write of? Do you consider Jesus an intellectual pattern? If yes, how so?
Marsha On Dec 28, 2009, at 3:52 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Hi John > > 27 Dec. I had said to Ron: > >>> The intellectual level springs from the social level > > John: >> What means this "springs"? > > To stay with the season: Jesus, is THAT now an issue of dissent? > >> A buncha social apes were sitting around one day, listening to >> Socrates and suddenly BOING, out pops an intellectual pattern like a >> Jack-in-the-box? > > Likewise, and I don't feel called on to to start kindergarten lecturing > with you again. > >> That makes as much sense as a buncha carbon springing into the shape >> of a chemistry professor. > > You have got THAT right at least, then maybe you'll be kind enough > to read Pirsig's next passage. > > Bo before: >>> 2 and 2 is 4 in social-steeped cultures as it is in >>> intellect-steeped dittos, there are even animals that can count so >>> logic - AKA intelligence - is used by the biological level too. > > John: >> Arghhh!! Biology doesn't count, society does. Amoebas are >> biological, but too stupid to count. Cats however, know how many >> kittens they've got, as I can, and have, demonstrated empirically when >> I give one of my cat's kittens away and she (the cat's mother) goes >> around mewing for days looking for the lost. > > OK, I tried to say that INTELLIGENCE occurred with biological neural > complexity AKA "brain". So plants, single cell- and multi-celled > organisms up to a certain point were/still are as dumb as you are ;-) > >> There are stories even of horses doing simple addition for a show, but >> what they are really counting on is the satisfied relief in their >> owners face when they get to the right number. > > Maybe not, but some animals "think" and that means applying logic > including 2+2=4, they do not think by way of language "Let's see .. > hmmm, hmmm... etc" but they for sure manipulate former experience > in the form of images, smell, and/or other sense impressions. And ... > flex whatever intelligence you have ... it is this "intelligence = > intellect" fallacy that have been this discussion's hang up for a > decade. It seems impossible to snap out of the 4th. level as thinking > or logic. > >> Your problem Bo, is you can't see when to stop. You seem to be >> searching for your master's satisfaction, with no results as yet. So >> you keep pawing the turf. > > I magnanimously overlook this. ;-) > > >> In the MoQ, logic is a tool, value is the center. In SOM, value is a >> tool and logic is the center. > > In the MOQ everything is static value patterns FYI, and as said > intelligence is a mercenary that serves all static levels. SOM (or > intellect) its latest employer why you all seem bent on intelligence as > intellect, You inadvertently put the finger on the sore spot. Thanks. > > Bo before: >>> Language and logic are intelligence's tools, but intelligence can serve >>> any master. Social level people found (still find) it perfectly logical >>> that existence is created by god(s) while intellect-based people find it >>> logical that it is a coincidence > > John: >> I'd say that's a pretty confusing mishmash of conceptualization there, >> but we're already past it so why bother trying to analyze confusion >> built upon error? Keep it Simple, should be the metaphysical dictum at >> the forefront of all our frontal lobes. Just memorize the following >> and you'll see a satisfied look on your trainers face: A metaphysics of >> Quality is a value centered metaphysics not logic centered. > > By jettisoning logic the MOQ may recruit a few lesser minds (they are > already assembled :) but that will certainly destroy it. Why - I wonder - > do you see the SOL interpretation as complicating? I clears away tons > of misunderstanding and confusion. But as the film bad-guy said after > being robbed of his newly-mixed plague: "Please let me have my > illness back"! Who wants clarity? > > Bodvar > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ _______________________________________________________________________ Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
