yo Bo, > The question seems to be, are intellectual patterns based on cultural > > assumptions of higher quality than those generated from personal > > experience? > > What are you talking about? The intellectual level springs from the > social level
What means this "springs"? A buncha social apes were sitting around one day, listening to Socrates and suddenly BOING, out pops an intellectual pattern like a Jack-in-the-box? That makes as much sense as a buncha carbon springing into the shape of a chemistry professor. which may be cultural in the sense that some cultures are > social value based, but the intellectual level may in turn create > cultures that are intellect-based. > > > > I sincerely think Andre made a important observation in his christmas > > post. A metaphysics of Quality is a value centered metaphysics not > > logic centered. As Andre notes, logic has value, but logic is not > > required for a value centered reality. > > 2 and 2 is 4 in social-steeped cultures as it is in intellect-steeped > dittos, there are even animals that can count so logic - AKA > intelligence - is used by the biological level too. Arghhh!! Biology doesn't count, society does. Amoebas are biological, but too stupid to count. Cats however, know how many kittens they've got, as I can, and have, demonstrated empirically when I give one of my cat's kittens away and she (the cat's mother) goes around mewing for days looking for the lost. There are stories even of horses doing simple addition for a show, but what they are really counting on is the satisfied relief in their owners face when they get to the right number. Your problem Bo, is you can't see when to stop. You seem to be searching for your master's satisfaction, with no results as yet. So you keep pawing the turf. > To say that logic isn't > required for the MOQ is plain nonsense, intelligence is a factor for > everything after its occurrence on the biological level. In the MoQ, logic is a tool, value is the center. In SOM, value is a tool and logic is the center. And if you ask me, hammering on the emergence of intelligence out of biology is really getting your puzzle pieces mixed up. Amoeba's just ain't that smart. Nor the people who think that they "count". > Language and > logic are intelligence's tools, but intelligence can serve any master. > Social level people found (still find) it perfectly logical that existence > is created by god(s) while intellect-based people find it logical that it > is > a coincidence I'd say that's a pretty confusing mishmash of conceptualization there, but we're already past it so why bother trying to analyze confusion built upon error? Keep it Simple, should be the metaphysical dictum at the forefront of all our frontal lobes. Just memorize the following and you'll see a satisfied look on your trainers face: A metaphysics of Quality is a value centered metaphysics not logic centered. John the horsey Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
