Ron spoke on 27 Dec.
> IS Andre impatient? from a specific western cutural point of view Bo's > theories make sense. They are compelling from a certain perspective. Yes he is impatient with you but too polite to say so. > The question seems to be, are intellectual patterns based on cultural > assumptions of higher quality than those generated from personal > experience? What are you talking about? The intellectual level springs from the social level which may be cultural in the sense that some cultures are social value based, but the intellectual level may in turn create cultures that are intellect-based. > I have my doubts whether or not Bo sees this as a legitimate question. You are right for once ;-) > I sincerely think Andre made a important observation in his christmas > post. A metaphysics of Quality is a value centered metaphysics not > logic centered. As Andre notes, logic has value, but logic is not > required for a value centered reality. 2 and 2 is 4 in social-steeped cultures as it is in intellect-steeped dittos, there are even animals that can count so logic - AKA intelligence - is used by the biological level too. To say that logic isn't required for the MOQ is plain nonsense, intelligence is a factor for everything after its occurrence on the biological level. Language and logic are intelligence's tools, but intelligence can serve any master. Social level people found (still find) it perfectly logical that existence is created by god(s) while intellect-based people find it logical that it is a coincidence > Certain western cultural points of view demand that logic creates > reality, but when logic becomes meaningless...ie when Pirsig had his > breakdown, the first impression is that all reality has lost meaning > and nothing has value. Again, you confuse logic with rationality. Phaedrus (of ZAMM) approached rationality's (intellect's - SOM's) borders and was struck down by its immune apparatus. He became psychically ill - insane - and were treated accordingly. As he telles he faked "sane" to be released from the hospital, but went on to write ZAMM where he not only approaches intellect-as-rationality's borders, but actually trespasses it. But then LILA where he undermines Phaedrus' great achievement (SOM=intellect) by the impossible 4th.level he presented there. Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
