On 1 Feb 2010 at 18:16, MarshaV wrote: > > On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:53 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > On 1 Feb 2010 at 11:46, MarshaV wrote: > > > >> > >> On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Steven Peterson wrote: > >> > >>>> > >>>> Hi Marsha, > >>>> > >>> > >>> Marsha: > >>> > >>>> This didn't answer the question, but did put words in my mouth > >>>> that were not said. > >> > >>>> Sjteve: > >>>> I don't mean to put words in your mouth. I was referring to this: > >>> > >>> Marsha previously: > >>> Would you gentlemen explain how if context and history are key factors in > >>> determining truth (conventional), why can it not be said that truth > >>> (conventional) is relative to context and history? It seems obvious: > >>> truth > >>> (conventional) is relative. > >> > >> Marsha: > >> You made no reference to my post of Jan 30, 2010, at 1:43 AM.; how was I > >> to guess? I do not agree that the charge of relativism should be > >> considered > >> an extreme. One can assume it is an extreme, of course, but on what > >> basis? > >> > >> > >> Marsha > > > > Hi Marsha, > > > > It's extremely incoherent to assert as true that truth is relative. But, in > > this day and age, incoherence is often celebrated, as pronouncements > > by progressives (we can spend our way to prosperity) and "modern" art > > paintings attest. > > > > > Hi Platt, > > I said static (conventional) truth is relative. Is knowledge anything other > that static patterns of value? Absolute truth is beyond my comprehension. - > Incoherent to whom, and how is it determined? Would it be incoherent to > Aristotle (the Law of Non-Contradiciton, or the Law of the Excluded Middle)? > Where is it stated as a incoherence within the MoQ? > > > Marsha
Hi Marsha, A statement is incoherent, i.e, nonsensical, if it contradicts itself. For example, the statement "There are not absolutes" contradicts itself because the statement purports to state an absolute truth that it says doesn't exist. Another classic example is "Judge not lest ye be judged" because it tells someone not to do what itself does. The harm in not recognizing self-contradictory statements comes when political leaders justify murdering millions "for the public good," as has happened repeatedly throughout history. Then "truth is relative" becomes a killer. Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
