Well I guess I'm gonna just do like David T. this afternoon and sorta wing it here without overthinking my reply.
I can do that, at times - overthink. Who'd-a thunk? I'll address the last part of your missive first, respond back upside down Chinese style. The last part of any message sticks in your brain most. The last word of your message was "asshole". I don't recall ever calling anyone an "asshole". For one thing, Lu reads this forum and she'd smack me proper upside the head. Doesn't like foul language, our lu. That kind of talk is really more your style than mine David, but there's a ring of truth to your accusation because even if I haven't used that exact terminology, I've led to believe that that is in fact, my opinion of the matter. Second, your assertion of the existence of "projection" is something I consider a great deal. It's something one sees a great deal in this life, and after a while you almost come to expect it in others. Usually, you're not disappointed in the expectation, although we always are in the results. But I don't think I'm projecting any of my own problems onto my judgement of you Dave. I haven't anything to judge you by but your word. And it's not just me. Somebody mentioned "could this be a kinder, gentler DMB?" That wouldn't get mentioned if it weren't a shocking new development. You've exhibited in the past a deal of intellectual bullying that would make the Chairman blush, and you've used arguments of appeal to authority in a way that would make Socrates mutter and scowl. If you're sorry for your sins, say so. Not to me of course. I was just a bystander to all this. The only gripe I have against you is the lack of dialogue on your part, that I came here for in the first place. Royce and James, back at it again. What fun we could have. The part about getting out of a loop of negativity rang my bell. It coincides with my refutation of Santayana's most quoted: Those who cannot remember the past... blah blah. I'll repeat my reformulation, slightly differently. Those who can't let the past slide are doomed to live it forever. References to the way things are in the movies always leave me cold; blaming mediated reality as the cause of the spread of objectivism like I do... but whatever. Me being open to being judged by others... is like a "duh" thing to my mind. I feel pretty open about who I am. Wanna know my dark secrets? The smell of my bowel movements? I don't care if my medical records are posted on the internet or all my secrets and neurosis are discussed in public. It's kinda flattering, if you think about it. Go ahead. Judge me. Make my day. I'm completely open to it. In fact, I encourage judgement. Taste for yourself what is good and what is not good in everyone and everything. I think we should be constantly judging and constantly judged. Judgement is just apprehension of Quality, after all. And Look! We're back to the beginning and right on topic too. > > dmb says: > Damn straight. We can't function without making judgements and we need to > make them all day long, everyday. This is what kills me about relativism. > It's so obvious at odds with... with.... with... EVERY moment of my > experience. > Ok, how does relativism obviate judgement? Maybe there's a technical definition because otherwise I see a lot of pitfalls for ambiguities in that conflict. I'll stick with what I told Marsha earlier, All truths are equally created. Your truth that "We can't function without making judgements" is a truth created by your interpretation of Quality. I think there is a bigger problem with stark individualism, SOM carving up tribes into weak individual beings with nothing to bond or compare with but mediated reality. But that's my rant. > > The aphorism is not really about that, though, is it? I think it's about > about compassion. I mean, on one level it just means, "hey, be nice." > > Yeah, well if this is advice you subtly mean to me Dave, I am nice. It is not hard for me, it is in my nature. I can be mean too, but I obviously like nice better. So I will if you will. Play nice, that is. John sharing space in the sandbox > And maybe there's a little piece of wisdom hidden in there too. "Lest ye be > judged". Hmmmm. Maybe one thing it means is that overly critical and > unforgiving attitudes toward others tend to come right back at you. I don't > just mean that you have to take your turn getting judged by others, although > that can happen too, especially in the movies, but also that you end up > applying these critical standards to your self. Then you start beating your > self up for all kinds of infractions. You know, mentally beating yourself > up. So maybe the saying is about NOT getting into a loop of negativity. Give > the other guy a break and you end up giving yourself a break. You know? > > There's also the idea of projection. The saying could be a kind of > recognition of that. This is basically a more potent version of the loop > thing. The idea here is that we can't bear to face certain things about > ourselves and so our most horrifying traits are projected onto the other guy > the way a movie is projected onto the big white screen. On this view, these > negative assessments only SEEM to be about somebody other than you but they > never are. Or at least, as the kids might put it, "it takes one to know > one". Think about that next time you call somebody an asshole. > > Thanks, > dmb > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. 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