Overreact? Overthink? Overanalyze? Overword? Moi? mea culpa.
I gotta admit then, you're too subtle for me there, dmb. I'm not used to the "joke being on you" - it went right over my head. Who's Jon Stewart? John the Not-Stewart. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:21 AM, david buchanan <[email protected]>wrote: > > John said to dmb: > Well I guess I'm gonna just do like David T. this afternoon and sorta wing > it here without overthinking my reply. I can do that, at times - overthink. > > dmb says: > > Well, in this case your problem is definitely NOT too much thinking. If you > look at the post again I think you'll clearly see that the joke was on me. I > was, in effect, calling myself an asshole. See it works like this... I > explain how projection means that people who criticize others are really > criticizing themselves and then I followed that with conspicuously > undeserved criticism. > > I mean, you'd probably have a better feel for the tone of that post if you > read it out loud while doing your best Jon Stewart impression and breathing > helium. That's about where I was at when I wrote it. > > Jeez. Overreact much? > > > > > > > > > > > Who'd-a thunk? > > > > I'll address the last part of your missive first, respond back upside > down > > Chinese style. The last part of any message sticks in your brain most. > The > > last word of your message was "asshole". > > > > I don't recall ever calling anyone an "asshole". For one thing, Lu reads > > this forum and she'd smack me proper upside the head. Doesn't like foul > > language, our lu. > > > > That kind of talk is really more your style than mine David, but there's > a > > ring of truth to your accusation because even if I haven't used that > exact > > terminology, I've led to believe that that is in fact, my opinion of the > > matter. > > > > > > Second, your assertion of the existence of "projection" is something I > > consider a great deal. It's something one sees a great deal in this life, > > and after a while you almost come to expect it in others. Usually, > you're > > not disappointed in the expectation, although we always are in the > results. > > But I don't think I'm projecting any of my own problems onto my > judgement > > of you Dave. I haven't anything to judge you by but your word. And it's > > not just me. Somebody mentioned "could this be a kinder, gentler DMB?" > > That wouldn't get mentioned if it weren't a shocking new development. > > You've exhibited in the past a deal of intellectual bullying that would > > make the Chairman blush, and you've used arguments of appeal to authority > in > > a way that would make Socrates mutter and scowl. If you're sorry for > your > > sins, say so. Not to me of course. I was just a bystander to all this. > > The only gripe I have against you is the lack of dialogue on your part, > > that I came here for in the first place. Royce and James, back at it > again. > > What fun we could have. > > > > The part about getting out of a loop of negativity rang my bell. It > > coincides with my refutation of Santayana's most quoted: Those who cannot > > remember the past... blah blah. > > > > I'll repeat my reformulation, slightly differently. Those who can't > let > > the past slide are doomed to live it forever. > > > > References to the way things are in the movies always leave me cold; > blaming > > mediated reality as the cause of the spread of objectivism like I do... > but > > whatever. > > > > Me being open to being judged by others... is like a "duh" thing to my > mind. > > I feel pretty open about who I am. Wanna know my dark secrets? The > smell > > of my bowel movements? I don't care if my medical records are posted on > the > > internet or all my secrets and neurosis are discussed in public. It's > kinda > > flattering, if you think about it. Go ahead. Judge me. Make my day. > I'm > > completely open to it. In fact, I encourage judgement. Taste for > yourself > > what is good and what is not good in everyone and everything. I think we > > should be constantly judging and constantly judged. Judgement is just > > apprehension of Quality, after all. > > > > And Look! We're back to the beginning and right on topic too. > > > > > > > > > > dmb says: > > > Damn straight. We can't function without making judgements and we need > to > > > make them all day long, everyday. This is what kills me about > relativism. > > > It's so obvious at odds with... with.... with... EVERY moment of my > > > experience. > > > > > > > > > Ok, how does relativism obviate judgement? Maybe there's a technical > > definition because otherwise I see a lot of pitfalls for ambiguities in > that > > conflict. I'll stick with what I told Marsha earlier, All truths are > > equally created. Your truth that "We can't function without making > > judgements" is a truth created by your interpretation of Quality. > > > > I think there is a bigger problem with stark individualism, SOM carving > up > > tribes into weak individual beings with nothing to bond or compare with > but > > mediated reality. But that's my rant. > > > > > > > > > > The aphorism is not really about that, though, is it? I think it's > about > > > about compassion. I mean, on one level it just means, "hey, be nice." > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, well if this is advice you subtly mean to me Dave, I am nice. It > is > > not hard for me, it is in my nature. I can be mean too, but I obviously > > like nice better. So I will if you will. > > > > Play nice, that is. > > > > > > John sharing space in the sandbox > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And maybe there's a little piece of wisdom hidden in there too. "Lest > ye be > > > judged". Hmmmm. Maybe one thing it means is that overly critical and > > > unforgiving attitudes toward others tend to come right back at you. I > don't > > > just mean that you have to take your turn getting judged by others, > although > > > that can happen too, especially in the movies, but also that you end up > > > applying these critical standards to your self. Then you start beating > your > > > self up for all kinds of infractions. You know, mentally beating > yourself > > > up. So maybe the saying is about NOT getting into a loop of negativity. > Give > > > the other guy a break and you end up giving yourself a break. You know? > > > > > > There's also the idea of projection. The saying could be a kind of > > > recognition of that. This is basically a more potent version of the > loop > > > thing. The idea here is that we can't bear to face certain things about > > > ourselves and so our most horrifying traits are projected onto the > other guy > > > the way a movie is projected onto the big white screen. On this view, > these > > > negative assessments only SEEM to be about somebody other than you but > they > > > never are. Or at least, as the kids might put it, "it takes one to know > > > one". Think about that next time you call somebody an asshole. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > dmb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. 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