Hi Dan and Gav, I appreciate what both of you are talking about here. Right now I am contemplating getting a job (after being a stay at home mom all these years, with a little free lance graphic design on the side). I go in for an interview today. A paycheck would be nice. JC and I would both have full time jobs, able to pay bills, perhaps keep the house... BUT, we have an 8 year old. I wouldn't be there for him after school. How does one run a household and work full time? I know there are women who do it, but all I ever really wanted was be a housewife and mom (yes, we still exist), regardless of the sacrifice of material goods.
I like the idea of this job - working at an art gallery and frame shop. It would be full time, but probably not permanent, just through September. I would be able to make connections in the (rather large) art community we have here. On the other hand, I would have to arrange for after school care for my son every day of the week, no longer be able to car-pool with the other family who lives as far from town as we do... Would I be trading my community for material comfort? Is it worth it? I'm not really a 9-5 person, more of a scatterbrained flibbertigibbet. But on the other hand, maybe I need a little more structure enforced on me... and then comes summer - would I have to arrange full time child care - YUCK... and our daughters are home in the summer, I wouldn't be able to spend as much time with them as I always have.. I could go on, flip-flopping back and forth all day, but you get the idea of my dilemma... Lu On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Dan Glover <[email protected]> wrote: > gav, you're always gonna get that stupid shit from people... you need > to work for money cuz its more efficient. the money has nothing to do > with it! a person needs to work to survive, nothing more. > > good for you. i think it's awesome you can do what you're doing. > myself, i've been self employed over three decades now. for a few > years i tried building my businesses by hiring others but i find it > simpler just to work for myself now. i'm happier. > > to me, that's the key... work for oneself... not for the money or > other exchange that comes from the work. just work. it's so simple > it's hard to see why others have such a hard time with it. > > peace, > > dan > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:03 PM, gav <[email protected]> wrote: > > the point is.... > > i have spent the last 5 years working and volunteering in the field of > community development. and progress is very slow, because of the exigencies > of capitalism: kids to feed and house etc. catch-22 > > > > i opted out. i haven't had a home for nearly a year now. i been riding > the coattails of providence, travelling, camping; it's a challenge sometimes > - to have a sanctuary would be great. but when it comes down to it - i have > no dependents and i am able to act solely as my conscience dictates. > therefore i *choose* to participate as little as possible in the capitalist > nightmare that the white world inflicts on the planet. > > > > seems not many folk see the whole 'need money to live' thing as immoral, > evil....strange because to me IT'S FUCKING OBVIOUS. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 22/2/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > >> Subject: [MD] Capitalism: my experience > >> To: "moq discuss" <[email protected]> > >> Received: Monday, 22 February, 2010, 8:32 AM > >> > >> > >> > >> [ gav] > >> > >> > working for free, or as exchange is ...noble. it > >> builds trust, friendships, community.... > >> > >> But working for money has its efficiencies. Suppose > >> everytime you needed food, clothing, > >> > >> or medical help, you had to find a farmer, tailor or doctor > >> who needed gardening. > >> It is more efficient (and gives you more freedom) to be > >> paid in money, > >> then you can deal with whatever farmer, tailor or doctor > >> that you want to. > >> > >> Craig > >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
