hey louise - i cannot help here much - i just don't have the experience. all i could offer is there are two ways to approach the financial burden - get more cash, or reduce how much cash you need. this probably won't help all the very best love gav
--- On Fri, 26/2/10, Louise Pryor <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Louise Pryor <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] Capitalism: my experience > To: [email protected] > Received: Friday, 26 February, 2010, 3:28 AM > Hi Dan and Gav, > > I appreciate what both of you are talking about here. Right > now I am > contemplating getting a job (after being a stay at home mom > all these years, > with a little free lance graphic design on the side). I go > in for an > interview today. A paycheck would be nice. JC and I would > both have full > time jobs, able to pay bills, perhaps keep the house... > BUT, we have an 8 > year old. I wouldn't be there for him after school. How > does one run a > household and work full time? I know there are women who do > it, but all I > ever really wanted was be a housewife and mom (yes, we > still exist), > regardless of the sacrifice of material goods. > > I like the idea of this job - working at an art gallery and > frame shop. It > would be full time, but probably not permanent, just > through September. I > would be able to make connections in the (rather large) art > community we > have here. On the other hand, I would have to arrange for > after school care > for my son every day of the week, no longer be able to > car-pool with the > other family who lives as far from town as we do... > > Would I be trading my community for material comfort? Is it > worth it? I'm > not really a 9-5 person, more of a scatterbrained > flibbertigibbet. But on > the other hand, maybe I need a little more structure > enforced on me... and > then comes summer - would I have to arrange full time child > care - YUCK... > and our daughters are home in the summer, I wouldn't be > able to spend as > much time with them as I always have.. > > I could go on, flip-flopping back and forth all day, but > you get the idea > of my dilemma... > > Lu > > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Dan Glover <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > gav, you're always gonna get that stupid shit from > people... you need > > to work for money cuz its more efficient. the money > has nothing to do > > with it! a person needs to work to survive, nothing > more. > > > > good for you. i think it's awesome you can do what > you're doing. > > myself, i've been self employed over three decades > now. for a few > > years i tried building my businesses by hiring others > but i find it > > simpler just to work for myself now. i'm happier. > > > > to me, that's the key... work for oneself... not for > the money or > > other exchange that comes from the work. just work. > it's so simple > > it's hard to see why others have such a hard time with > it. > > > > peace, > > > > dan > > > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:03 PM, gav <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > the point is.... > > > i have spent the last 5 years working and > volunteering in the field of > > community development. and progress is very slow, > because of the exigencies > > of capitalism: kids to feed and house etc. catch-22 > > > > > > i opted out. i haven't had a home for nearly a > year now. i been riding > > the coattails of providence, travelling, camping; it's > a challenge sometimes > > - to have a sanctuary would be great. but when it > comes down to it - i have > > no dependents and i am able to act solely as my > conscience dictates. > > therefore i *choose* to participate as little as > possible in the capitalist > > nightmare that the white world inflicts on the > planet. > > > > > > seems not many folk see the whole 'need money to > live' thing as immoral, > > evil....strange because to me IT'S FUCKING OBVIOUS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 22/2/10, [email protected] > <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >> From: [email protected] > <[email protected]> > > >> Subject: [MD] Capitalism: my > experience > > >> To: "moq discuss" <[email protected]> > > >> Received: Monday, 22 February, 2010, 8:32 AM > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> [ gav] > > >> > > >> > working for free, or as > exchange is ...noble. it > > >> builds trust, friendships, community.... > > >> > > >> But working for money has its > efficiencies. Suppose > > >> everytime you needed food, clothing, > > >> > > >> or medical help, you had to find a farmer, > tailor or doctor > > >> who needed gardening. > > >> It is more efficient (and gives you more > freedom) to be > > >> paid in money, > > >> then you can deal with whatever farmer, > tailor or doctor > > >> that you want to. > > >> > > >> Craig > > >> > > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > >> Archives: > > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > Archives: > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
