I hear ya, Marsha. Jalapeno Ice Cream isn't your taste but you won't knock the spoon outta somebody else's mouth.
Fair enough. I'm only slightly curious why a system which extolls "Varieties" of Religious Experience would get its panties all in a twist in the first place, but hey. That's just me and my Jalapeno flavored world view. Yours, John On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:18 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > JC, > > I disagree with you, but I'm not trying to change your mind. I think the > concept > chocked full of harmful vibes, but by all means go for it. Let the show > begin. > I'll wander through the stadium getting rich selling moon pie. > > Love you, > Marsha > > > > On Mar 9, 2010, at 11:49 AM, John Carl wrote: > > >> > >> > >> And I think the use of the term "god" much more degrading because of the > >> commonly acknowledged definitions, connotations and history. I think > RMP > >> chose the most appropriate label. Stripping the word "god" of all the > >> garbage > >> would be near impossible, imho. > >> > >> > > I dunno Marsha. It has been tried before. There seems to me to be a > > central problem in human history that when you throw out "God", you throw > > out values. That's the way it's been. The Russian experiment (remember > the > > "godless commies?") didn't work out so well and historically, the use of > the > > term has served the evolution of society so that evidently those > societies > > that use the term do better than the societies that don't. I feel rather > > than tossing it out, the MoQ should analyze. > > > > > > > >> > >>> > >>> That's not the same thing as true atheism. Which is more along the > lines > >>> Krimel advocated with the world and all that is being the product of > >> random > >>> chance, with no positive force behind any of it. No matter what you > call > >>> it. > >> > >> Here's the definition of atheism I use: Atheists are people who believe > >> that god > >> or gods (or other supernatural beings) are man-made constructs, myths > and > >> legends or who believe that these concepts are not meaningful. If > Krimel > >> has > >> a more esoteric, sophisticated definition that's fine but it would seem > to > >> narrow > >> the discussion to only those individuals who share his definition. > >> > >> > > Ok Marsha. Let's look at this carefully. "man-made constructs" - what > > isn't? Even to use the term implies a supernatural entity, otherwise > "man" > > - made is meaningless. > > > > Unless you meant gender-wise and you prefer "woman-made constructs". > > > > It's like gav pointed out about "Freedom" is also a man-made construct, > but > > in the MoQ, even subjective patterns have meaning AS patterns of value. > > Since people have gone to war repeatedly over such intellectual > constructs, > > I fail to see how defining them as "meaningless" is helpful in analyzing > > them properly. > > > > > >>> I agree that one does not need faith to perceive Quality, whereas it > does > >>> take a sort of faith to perceive God. Just one more way that Quality > and > >>> God are differing concepts. I guess the purest way I can make the > >>> distinction is that you can ask if God is any good, but you can't > really > >> ask > >>> if Quality is any good. God is measured by Quality, not the other way > >>> around. > >>> > >>> Does that make sense? > >> > >> > >> Perfect sense. So what is benefit of holding on to the concept of God? > >> > >> > > > > Communication with 95% of US Population, for one. Discourse with most of > > written history, for another. Those two alone hold enough benefit to > tempt > > me to go all, "duh!" on you. > > > > But I won't because I'm too respectful. > > > > Quality doesn't obviate God. Quality tames "God". The comparison with > SOM > > is exactly apt - Quality doesn't obviate S/O. Quality tames S/O. > > > > > > > > John the lion-tamer, > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
