On Mar 9, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Steven Peterson wrote: > Hi Marsha, > > >> Greetings, >> >> Definition, connotation and history are intricately involved with >> patterning, and since the definition, connotation and history of the >> God-pattern is associated with "an evil social suppression of intellectual >> and Dynamic freedom" it should be dropped. Quality as presented in the Moq >> is a much better (untainted) label. > > Steve: > I think this is true to what Pirsig was saying in the annotations. > > But I also think this from Walter Kaufman's introduction to Buber's "I > and Thou" is consistent with the MOQ: > > "[W]hy use religious terms? Indeed, it might be better not to use > them because they are always misunderstood. But what other terms are > there? We need a new language, and new poets to create it, and new > ears to listen to it. Meanwhile, if we shut our ears to the old > prophets who still speak more or less in the old tongues, using > ancient words, occasionally in new ways, we shall have very little > music. We are not so rich that we can do without tradition. Let those > who have new ears listen to it in a new way." > > A less lofty example is the homosexual's reclaiming of the word > "queer." This word should have been dropped as a tool of social > oppression, but better yet, it was reclaimed as a source of unity and > pride. > > Personally, I don't generally find use for the word God for talking > about my experience because I would be misunderstood to be referring > to a supernatural diety external to the universe, but not everyone > uses the word theistically, and I have no argument with those who use > it to talk about DQ, love, The Tao, the ground of being, our hopes for > the future of humankind, etc. > > Best, > Steve
Steve, Too often I speak my own static untruths, and they can be promptly ignored. Personally, I find no need for the concept of god. I am perfectly content with indivisible, undefinable and unknowable, but that's based on my experiences. I think it points more easily towards direct experience which is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable, and GOOD. I've read many of Walter Kaufman's translations of Nietzsche. Prior to that, I had got caught in reading many turn-of-the-century translations which I later discovered to have been written heavily influenced the translator/cultures point-ov-view and not Nietzsche's. I'm so tired of words, especially my own. Love, Marsha ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
