Thanks Marsha, for doing the digging. RMP sez:
<<<<<The MOQ would add a fourth stage where the term “God” is completely dropped as a relic of an evil social suppression of intellectual and Dynamic freedom. The MOQ is not just atheistic in this regard. It is anti-theistic. >>>>>"" ------------- > > I don't get what you are suggesting. It seems clear to me that the fourth > stage represents the MoQ point-of-view. Quality as the Ultimate Truth is > based on experience with no need of faith. You may understand it > differently, and that's fine, but you will need to convince me that the the > MoQ includes god as a necessary, high quality concept. > > No, I couldn't convince you of that because I don't believe that. Necessary? What makes any particular term or word "necessary"? Saying the three letter word G-O-D is necessary would preclude and exclude all other valuable fingers pointing to the same moon. I mean, what about the FSM<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Sphagetti_Monster>? for instance. My point is more particularly that the use of the shorthand term "god" to represent ultimate value is no more degraded than defining it "Quality" or dancing with bar ladies. What terms work best to communicate most is what's at stake. Pirsig is addressing the pragmatic usefulness of "G-O-D" as a term due to its history of association with social repression by religious forces that were (and are) evil - devoted to the preservation of their own static patterns opposed to DQ. That's not the same thing as true atheism. Which is more along the lines Krimel advocated with the world and all that is being the product of random chance, with no positive force behind any of it. No matter what you call it. I agree that one does not need faith to perceive Quality, whereas it does take a sort of faith to perceive God. Just one more way that Quality and God are differing concepts. I guess the purest way I can make the distinction is that you can ask if God is any good, but you can't really ask if Quality is any good. God is measured by Quality, not the other way around. Does that make sense? Correct me if I'm wrong. Disambiguate my Quality.... Please! John the comedian Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
