Ham, All.
I'll start with apologizing for my "silence" accusation. I check my post
only once a day so I don't know what's going on between (my)
mornings. Also, I forgot to add a smiley to you Ham after "accusing"
you of picking nits ..etc. in my latest to you.
On 3 Apr. you wrote:
> Okay, sorry I mistook Bo's statement for one of yours. I'll let him
> explain the meaning of his phrasing in this quote of 4/1:
FYI: The SOL does NOT say that the 4th level consists of
subjects and objects, rather it is the SOM (the "objective-
over-subject" approach) without its "M"!!!!
> I can understand SOM "without its 'M'", but not the
> "objective-over-subject" bias attributed to this dichotomy. Is it the
> SOM (objectivist) view that objects "dominate" subjects?
It is the most general definition I can muster. An example: In the Pre-
historic Ages when social value dominated there were no skeptics who
asked the tribe elders "are these stories you tell OBJECTIVELY
TRUE, does the gods, goddesses ...etc. REALLY exist? Could it be
that things have a NATURAL explanation. Only with the Greeks did
this attitude emerge, not right away, but the search for eternal
principles started this intellectual snowball rolling.
> And, Horse, I believe you did say this to Bo on 4/2:
> > But your main contention has always been that the Intellectual level
> > of the MoQ is Subject Object Metaphysics i.e. a metaphysical
> > position that posits Subjects and Objects as the basis of reality.
> My question concerns the reference by you and others in this forum to
> the "metaphysical position" of the subject/object relationship.
> Specifically, what is metaphysical about it?
> I'd still appreciate your slant on why Pirsig chose to posit objective
> reality (experienced subjectively) as a metaphysical concept.
It only became "metaphysics" after Pirsig pointed it out as SOM.
Before that everyone - like you - took it for granted - how existence
had been assembled "at the factory" so to say. Now, he called the
MOQ a metaphysics too and should have left it there, but trust Pirsig to
undermine his own achievement, he postulated that Quality is the
OBJECTIVE reality and the MOQ just another SUBJECTIVE theory,
which is back to SOM-land
Bodvar
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