Hi Marsha and John, John, I get a kick out of Hitchens. He's the only guy I know who'll show up on Bill Maher with a drink in his hand in a clear glass. Everybody else hides theirs in a coffee cup.
...And I didn't know atheists were required to be scientists. Am I gonna have to go back to school? Marsha, thanks for all the quotes. P. really knows how to put that Social Level in its place. Best to you two, Mary > > I gotta go so I don't have much time this morning Marsh, but seems to > me if > an atheist doesn't have his science right, he hasn't got much of > anything. > > And you do know that Krauss is an atheist as well, don't you. > > John the enticed by the assertion of "anthropic principles" which > sounds > like biocentricism is a cool direction to go. > > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 4:17 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dawkins and Hitchens are my heros because they are brave, courageous > > and bold atheists, not because they have their science right. In > the past > > I have complained about the science, you know that, but I still see > it as > > more > > dynamic than the theist bs. > > > > And just for the record: > > > > > > "The MOQ supports religion but does not support many Christian > traditions." > > (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations) > > > > The MOQ is an atheistic religious outlook that solves rather than > bypasses > > religious problems. > > (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations) > > > > "Quality is nature. The MOQ says there is no spiritual principle in > man > > that > > makes knowledge possible. Nature does the whole job." > > (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations) > > > > "The MOQ does not rest on faith. In the MOQ faith is very low quality > > stuff, a > > willingness to believe falsehoods." > > (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations) > > > > "The MOQ would add a fourth stage where the term "God" is completely > > dropped > > as a relic of an evil social suppression of intellectual and Dynamic > > freedom. The > > MOQ is not just atheistic in this regard. It is anti-theistic." > > (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations) > > > > "The selling out of intellectual truth to the social icons of > organized > > religion is > > seen by the MOQ as an evil act." > > (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations) > > > > "Faith is not required for an understanding of Quality. Here Quality > > succeeds > > where Bradley's Absolute and Hegel's Being and the Buddhist > Nothingness > > and the Hindu Oneness and the theists' God and Allah and you-name-it, > all > > of them fail. For Quality, no faith is required because there is no > way you > > can > > disbelieve that there is such a thing as quality. You cannot conceive > of or > > live > > in a world in which nothing is better than anything else." > > (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations) > > > > "For quality, no faith is required because there is no way you can > > disbelieve > > that there is such a thing as quality." > > (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations) > > > > "When you hear the words 'spirit' and 'faith' always look for a > traditional > > religionist > > trying to sneak his goods in the back door. ...like the positivists, > the > > MOQ drops > > spirit and faith, cold." > > (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations) > > > > > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2010, at 6:50 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > > > > > ID ? err no ... > > > Marsha, you must be misunderstanding the argument (you and a > million > > > physicists & scientists, so no worry) > > > > > > ID is mentioned as an example of the reactionary crap that is > > > generated by NOT addressing the fact the (current) universe was/is > > > fine-tuned to carbon-based intelligent life. No "I" in that, just > > > physics. > > > > > > You are backing the wrong horse with Dawkins ;-) > > > Ian > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:37 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> I.D.? Are you kidding? I'm with Dawkins. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Apr 23, 2010, at 6:13 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > > >> > > >>> Larry Krauss is quoted by someone I've been following following > for a > > >>> few years - a guy called Rick Ryals (aka Island) writing about > the > > >>> significance of Anthropic Principles. > > >>> > > >>> Start here: http://knol.google.com/k/the-anthropic-principle# > > >>> > > >>> There is something seriously amiss at the core of of fundamental > > physics. > > >>> Ian > > >>> > > >>> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:18 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Lawrence Krauss Discussion (1/12) - Richard Dawkins > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLctxRf7duU > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Apr 22, 2010, at 6:27 PM, Fam. Kintziger-Karaca wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/krauss06/krauss06.2_index.html > > >>>>> > > >>>>> for quantum-marsha > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ___ > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > > >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > >>>> Archives: > > >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > >>>> > > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > > >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > >>> Archives: > > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ___ > > >> > > >> > > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > >> Archives: > > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > >> > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > Archives: > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
