Sorry Ron, Try this link to Hinduism and Buddhism in Grreek Philosophy http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-PHIL/marlow.htm
Jon On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Jon Bennett <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Ron, > > This is something I want to look at more closely as we go. When you have > time look into Dooyeweerd's ground motives. I believe the Greek ground > motive of matter-form covers all of Greek thought, including Aristotle. > > It is true that Neoplatonism mixed in mingled with many things in western > thought. And it is true that Christianity was much mixed with neoplatonism. > However, I think it can be shown that Neoplatonism is actually the origin of > German thought, and the moq. NP is virtually indistinguishable from Hinduism > and eastern thought in general. > > From the 12th century forward you see a struggle between scholasticism and > neoplatonism, which later surfaced in German nature mysticism, for the mind > of the West. Scholaticism itself of course being a mix of Christian and > Greek ideas. > > You can follow much of this influence on German thought through and from > Master Eickart. > > So this connection, between Greek, eastern, neoplatonism, and German > thought, is essential to understanding our times, the moq. > > And it has very serious forebodings for freedom, democracy and human > rights. > > You might find this link between Hinduism, Buddhism and Greek thought of > interest. > http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-PHIL/marlow.htm* > http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-PHIL/marlow.htm*<http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-PHIL/marlow.htmhttp://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-PHIL/marlow.htm> > > Thanks, > Jon > On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 9:44 AM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Jon, >> The Majority of the influence of God in explaination in the west comes >> from >> the traditions of Pathagoreanism and neoplatonism. >> >> Philo of Alexandria may be credited for first bringing >> these explainations together in the formation of Christianity. >> >> Aristotle, disagreed with these schools of thought and felt they >> took on too many assumptions in the regard of first principles. >> Aristotle was a Pragmatist and scientific method was based >> on a theory of explaination. Which may be traced to Socrates. >> >> -Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Jon Bennett <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 12:18:40 AM >> Subject: Re: [MD] the universe is flat >> >> MarshaV, John, Ian and company, >> >> At some point I want to discuss the archetypes of this, and the previous >> age. >> >> If you've looked at the link I posted by Tarnas, you'll see that he refers >> to a certain nexus of interrelated ideas that are behind each age. These >> are >> the metaphysical roots that P speaks of, and each age has them. >> >> The interesting thing is when you look at them closely, it is clear that >> these ideas were originally derived from ideas, or characteristics of God. >> >> This is most evident and easy to trace with Newton. He is constantly >> saying >> space is absolute, eternal, and uniform, because God is. He was very clear >> about this and intentionally thought this way as to understand how God >> worked in the world. >> >> In any event, these ideas that were once thought of as aspects of God, and >> in a specific tradition, become the archetypes, the core ideas of >> mechanistic physics. >> >> Not only this, these same ideas are then imputed to all other realms of >> thought and cultural expression. >> >> This is also true with modern physics. Ever read the Tao of Physics, or >> Capra's, The Turning Point. He shows meticulously how the ideas in >> physics, >> classical and modern, were spread to other areas of thought. >> >> In both cases, these archetypal ideas can be traced back to theology, even >> in a secular or non religious age, or even once they take on new, non >> religious meanings. >> >> The archetypes behind quantum physics and relativity and even complexity >> science like wise can be traced back to philosophy and theology. You can >> trace it back to when Hegel wanted to combine the ideas of the finite and >> the infinite, the Creator and the creation. This was an intentional move >> by >> Hegel and other of the German Idealist philosophers that followed him, and >> this influence was likewise felt on the Romantic poets. >> >> I know this is but a broad outline, but Hegel and most of the Idealist >> philosophers were trained as theologians, and their philosophy >> deliberately >> incorporated theological ideas, and these subsequently influenced the >> course >> of science, as it did the whole of the culture. >> >> Hegel's influence in this shift was the Greeks whom he idealized. And I >> believe you can trace the moq back to this turning point in Western >> thought, >> which might be described as the easternization of the West. >> >> There's an interesting chapter in Alan Blooms, The Closing of the AMerican >> Mind, called the German connection, which also makes this connection with >> the sixties culture and high German philosophy. And there is also a >> connection of German philosophy with Eastern mysticism, as well as Greek >> thought. But the trend form Kant, Hegel, Schopenhauer, that leads to >> Nietzsche and then Heidegger, is the trend that Pirsig swims in. Did he >> take >> it furhter than the rest, I'm not sure yet. But he is in this very same >> lineage which was begun by theologians considering the nature of God. >> >> Jon >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:41 PM, John Carl <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > When you say "dropped" Marsha, I can take your meaning two differing >> ways: >> > >> > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:59 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > > I tend to agree that the terms God/Creator/Designer should be >> > > dropped as 'a relic of an evil social suppression of intellectual and >> > > Dynamic freedom.' >> > >> > >> > The first way of "dropped" is the way we drop a belief in Santa Claus as >> we >> > grow older and more sophisticated. An adult realization. I dropped a >> > belief in Santa Claus when I was around ten. >> > >> > The second possible meaning I can think of is dropped completely, like >> not >> > even teaching kids about Santa Clause in the first place. Expunging him >> > from our social memories. >> > >> > Do you mean God should be dropped completely from the world's ideas? Or >> do >> > you mean on an individual level where a child develops an idea of his >> own >> > mind and worth by his/her overcoming the belief in God? >> > >> > Or Santa Claus, for that matter. >> > >> > If you get my question, let me know your answer, or if not one of these >> two >> > interpretations, some other way of dropping God. >> > >> > Like, "OOps. I just dropped your God. 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