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On Apr 24, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Jon Bennett wrote: > MarshaV, John, Ian and company, > > At some point I want to discuss the archetypes of this, and the previous > age. > > If you've looked at the link I posted by Tarnas, you'll see that he refers > to a certain nexus of interrelated ideas that are behind each age. These are > the metaphysical roots that P speaks of, and each age has them. > > The interesting thing is when you look at them closely, it is clear that > these ideas were originally derived from ideas, or characteristics of God. > > This is most evident and easy to trace with Newton. He is constantly saying > space is absolute, eternal, and uniform, because God is. He was very clear > about this and intentionally thought this way as to understand how God > worked in the world. > > In any event, these ideas that were once thought of as aspects of God, and > in a specific tradition, become the archetypes, the core ideas of > mechanistic physics. > > Not only this, these same ideas are then imputed to all other realms of > thought and cultural expression. > > This is also true with modern physics. Ever read the Tao of Physics, or > Capra's, The Turning Point. He shows meticulously how the ideas in physics, > classical and modern, were spread to other areas of thought. > > In both cases, these archetypal ideas can be traced back to theology, even > in a secular or non religious age, or even once they take on new, non > religious meanings. > > The archetypes behind quantum physics and relativity and even complexity > science like wise can be traced back to philosophy and theology. You can > trace it back to when Hegel wanted to combine the ideas of the finite and > the infinite, the Creator and the creation. This was an intentional move by > Hegel and other of the German Idealist philosophers that followed him, and > this influence was likewise felt on the Romantic poets. > > I know this is but a broad outline, but Hegel and most of the Idealist > philosophers were trained as theologians, and their philosophy deliberately > incorporated theological ideas, and these subsequently influenced the course > of science, as it did the whole of the culture. > > Hegel's influence in this shift was the Greeks whom he idealized. And I > believe you can trace the moq back to this turning point in Western thought, > which might be described as the easternization of the West. > > There's an interesting chapter in Alan Blooms, The Closing of the AMerican > Mind, called the German connection, which also makes this connection with > the sixties culture and high German philosophy. And there is also a > connection of German philosophy with Eastern mysticism, as well as Greek > thought. But the trend form Kant, Hegel, Schopenhauer, that leads to > Nietzsche and then Heidegger, is the trend that Pirsig swims in. Did he take > it furhter than the rest, I'm not sure yet. But he is in this very same > lineage which was begun by theologians considering the nature of God. > > Jon > > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:41 PM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote: > >> When you say "dropped" Marsha, I can take your meaning two differing ways: >> >> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:59 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>> I tend to agree that the terms God/Creator/Designer should be >>> dropped as 'a relic of an evil social suppression of intellectual and >>> Dynamic freedom.' >> >> >> The first way of "dropped" is the way we drop a belief in Santa Claus as we >> grow older and more sophisticated. An adult realization. I dropped a >> belief in Santa Claus when I was around ten. >> >> The second possible meaning I can think of is dropped completely, like not >> even teaching kids about Santa Clause in the first place. Expunging him >> from our social memories. >> >> Do you mean God should be dropped completely from the world's ideas? Or do >> you mean on an individual level where a child develops an idea of his own >> mind and worth by his/her overcoming the belief in God? >> >> Or Santa Claus, for that matter. >> >> If you get my question, let me know your answer, or if not one of these two >> interpretations, some other way of dropping God. >> >> Like, "OOps. I just dropped your God. I hope He didn't break." >> >> John the God breaker >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
