Hi Bo
On 2010-07-13 11:01, [email protected] wrote:
They have very much to do with each other, but listen you two guys: I
have earlier referred to Phaedrus' insight in ZAMM (the campfire
speech) about Newton's Theory creating the Gravity Reality. DMB
seems not (to wish) to understand what P. says here, namely that
great theories create new realities, or at least he interprets theories as
intellectual patterns that expands rationality. However, I think P's aim
was far greater, translated into moqspeak that the MOQ creates the
QUALITY REALITY. How is it Magnus do you have an opinion on this
issue?
Me? Opinion? Need you ask anyone to tell you these things? :)
"Great theories create new realities"? Hmm, well, yes in the sense that
the intellectual pattern is real, then yes. If we say that our
intellectual reality is the sum of all theories and ideas, then the
intellectual reality is different with the theory than without it.
However, our inorganic reality hasn't changed one bit. I.e. apples still
fall exactly as fast as they did before the new theory, and planets
still orbit the sun exactly as before.
The same goes for the MoQ. It creates a new intellectual reality since
the MoQ theory is added to that sum, but it doesn't change anything else.
At least Pirsig's QUALITY/MOQ "meta-metaphysics" is a grave
violation of Phaedrus' insight, now HE postulates that Quality has been
from eternity - like Newton postulated that gravity has always been -
but according to Phaedrus gravity was nowhere until Newton,
consequently Quality was nowhere until Pirsig and the MOQ IS THE
QUALITY REALITY. Anything else than this radical - strong
interpretation - will leave the MOQ easy prey to SOM-based criticism.
Doe this ring any bells with you Magnus, I'm not able to decipher your
texts.
Bells, yes, but no new ones I'm afraid. It's just the same old:
"Gravity" and "the law of gravity" are two different things. Gravity is
the inorganic version that has existed since the big bang. The law of
gravity is the intellectual pattern that Newton formulated. Pirsig
hadn't the tools he needed, the MoQ and its levels, to separate those
two at the time he wrote ZMM.
And it's the same thing with Quality. It has always existed, in some
sense even before the big bang I'd say. But the theory called MoQ is new.
Magnus
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