Horse, Has Ron complained that his feelings have been hurt? I certainly wouldn't want to hurt his feelings.
Marsha On Jul 19, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Horse wrote: > So where in the MoRaT thread was Ron being negative or making ad hominem > comments? > Satirical, yes. Sarcastic maybe. Ad Hominem? I don't think so. > And why can't the SOLsters reply in the same vein as per "When in Rome...." > or are the Roman grapes a bit sour at the moment? > > > > On 19/07/2010 20:44, Platt Holden wrote: >> Hi Horse, >> >> When in Rome . . . >> >> Regards, >> Platt >> >> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Horse<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> It's a bit odd that the negative and ad hominem comments have come from >>> the SOLsters! >>> Who'd'a thought? >>> >>> >>> On 19/07/2010 17:49, Platt Holden wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Marsha, >>>> >>>> Me, too. His point is to never quote anyone about anything. >>>> And there goes knowledge down the tube. >>>> >>>> More meds anyone? >>>> >>>> Platt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:56 AM, MarshaV<[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Point? I figured he forgot to take his meds. Again. >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Think maybe you've made your point Ron ? >>>>>> ;-) >>>>>> Ian >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:03 PM, X Acto<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The most damning evidence of all >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After Lila rapes Phaedrus, he "see's the light" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "This was the first time he'd been passive like this. >>>>>>> Before it had been his idea, his aggression, his carnal >>>>>>> desires. Now this passivity seemed to open something up. >>>>>>> What he seemed to have seen was that maybe 'he' hadn't >>>>>>> had anything to do with it at all. He tried to hang on to it, >>>>>>> half awake, half asleep." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> more affirmation!!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the MoRaT is unassailable!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:51:31 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 'Is it better to have wisdom or is it better to be attractive to the >>>>>>> >>>>>> ladies?' >>>>>> That was a question debated by Provengal poets way back in the >>>>>> thirteenth >>>>>> century. Sidis opted for wisdom, but it seemed to Phaedrus there ought >>>>>> to be >>>>>> some way you could have both." >>>>>>> once again proof Pirsig advocates rape >>>>>>> >>>>>>> MoRaT affirmed AGAIN!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:44:26 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Just as a farmer raises cows for the sole purpose of devouring them, >>>>>>> >>>>>> this >>>>>> pattern >>>>>>> grows living human bodies for the sole purpose of devouring them." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> more evidence for the MoRaT, the true MoQ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and the most damning evidence that Pirsig indeed affirms >>>>>>> cannabalism and the rape and torture of inferior peoples: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "He also used to wonder if there was a higher farmer that >>>>>>> did the same thing to people, a different kind of organism >>>>>>> that they saw every day and thought of as beneficial, providing >>>>>>> food and shelter and protection from enemies, but an organism >>>>>>> that secretly was raising these people for its own sustenance, >>>>>>> feeding upon them and using their accumulated energy for its >>>>>>> own independent purposes. Later he saw there was" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Once again the MoRaT is confirmed!!! >>>>>>> the true MoQ >>>>>>> This unassailable position, that devours all platypus,- burp! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:26:48 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More evidence for the MoRaT interpretation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> where Pirsig justifies cannibalism. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "From a Metaphysics of Quality's point of view this devouring of human >>>>>>> >>>>>> bodies is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> a moral activity" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The MoRaT is affirmed again!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:06:45 AM >>>>>>> Subject: [MD] the MoRaT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And since it seems we can say anything we want to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I want to introduce MoRaT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The metaphysics of rape and torture >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pirsig clearly supports this in my interpretation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> that rape and torture are morally superior. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> " >>>>>>> "Now Phaedrus felt it all around him - the speed, the height, the >>>>>>> crowds >>>>>>> >>>>>> and >>>>>> their tension. >>>>>>> All the early strangeness was gone now. He was in it. >>>>>>> He remembered that its great symbol used to be the ticker tape, ticking >>>>>>> >>>>>> out >>>>>> unpredictable >>>>>>> fortunes rising and falling every second, a great symbol of luck. >>>>>>> Luck. >>>>>>> >>>>>> When E. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> B. White >>>>>>> wrote, 'If you want to live in New York you should be willing to be >>>>>>> >>>>>> lucky,' he >>>>>> meant not just >>>>>>> 'lucky' but willing to be lucky - that is, Dynamic. If you cling to >>>>>>> >>>>>> some set >>>>>> static pattern, >>>>>>> when opportunity comes you won't take it. You have to hang loose, and >>>>>>> >>>>>> when the >>>>>> time >>>>>>> comes to be lucky, then be lucky: that's Dynamic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> clearly pirsig means "ass rape" when he uses the term "lucky" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but he will not admit it. Pirsig states that we must seize the >>>>>>> >>>>>> opportunity to >>>>>> rape >>>>>>> and torture at every opportunity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the real MoQ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The one Pirsig meant >>>>>>> it is so obviouse >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the rest of you morons refuse to discuss the >>>>>>> one true MoQ, the MoRaT interpetation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Ro >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:50:26 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns& thinking >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Since the theory is "nothing is real" >>>>>>> test that theory by standing in traffic >>>>>>> or jumping off a building. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> see what happens >>>>>>> >>>>>>> please >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>> From: Magnus Berg<[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 7:24:25 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns& thinking >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2010-07-19 11:17, MarshaV wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sight at its very least is not about identified objects, only form and >>>>>>>> color. But one can experience sight sans even form and color too. >>>>>>>> It is ALL conceived. It's useful and I wouldn't throw away any but >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> arrogance of thinking the "real" has been realized. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Arrogance is there in SOM, yes, because in SOM, there's no other >>>>>>> >>>>>> relationship >>>>>> between the perceived object in your head and the object observed. >>>>>>> But in MoQ, we know that there *is* a direct dependency from our >>>>>>> >>>>>> internal image >>>>>> of the object, to the reality of the object via the levels. I'm not >>>>>> saying that >>>>>> your brain is supported by *that* stone, but I'm saying that your brain >>>>>> is >>>>>> supported by inorganic patterns just *like* a stone. >>>>>>> So, in SOM, ALL is conceived. But in MoQ, where we have the level >>>>>>> >>>>>> dependency and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> know that our internal "minds" are supported by inorganic patterns, we >>>>>>> >>>>>> can know >>>>>> that there are inorganic patterns. 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