was that an insult Platt? I thought it was offered as an example of original thinking, with merely insulting overtones.
And also, funny as hell. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Platt Holden <[email protected]> wrote: > [Platt] > Maybe not in that thread but in Ron's residence in Rome personal insults > are > frequent: Ex: > "Love that quote do'nt you? you should have it typed in brail so you can > shove it up ass and read it .. > now that's new." (Post July 18) > > > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: > > > So where in the MoRaT thread was Ron being negative or making ad hominem > > comments? > > Satirical, yes. Sarcastic maybe. Ad Hominem? I don't think so. > > And why can't the SOLsters reply in the same vein as per "When in > Rome...." > > or are the Roman grapes a bit sour at the moment? > > > > > > > > > > On 19/07/2010 20:44, Platt Holden wrote: > > > >> Hi Horse, > >> > >> When in Rome . . . > >> > >> Regards, > >> Platt > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Horse<[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> It's a bit odd that the negative and ad hominem comments have come > from > >>> the SOLsters! > >>> Who'd'a thought? > >>> > >>> > >>> On 19/07/2010 17:49, Platt Holden wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Marsha, > >>>> > >>>> Me, too. His point is to never quote anyone about anything. > >>>> And there goes knowledge down the tube. > >>>> > >>>> More meds anyone? > >>>> > >>>> Platt > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> . > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:56 AM, MarshaV<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Point? I figured he forgot to take his meds. Again. > >>>>> > >>>>> Marsha > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Think maybe you've made your point Ron ? > >>>>> > >>>>>> ;-) > >>>>>> Ian > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:03 PM, X Acto<[email protected]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The most damning evidence of all > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> After Lila rapes Phaedrus, he "see's the light" > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "This was the first time he'd been passive like this. > >>>>>>> Before it had been his idea, his aggression, his carnal > >>>>>>> desires. Now this passivity seemed to open something up. > >>>>>>> What he seemed to have seen was that maybe 'he' hadn't > >>>>>>> had anything to do with it at all. He tried to hang on to it, > >>>>>>> half awake, half asleep." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> more affirmation!!!! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> the MoRaT is unassailable!!! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:51:31 AM > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 'Is it better to have wisdom or is it better to be attractive to > the > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ladies?' > >>>>>> That was a question debated by Provengal poets way back in the > >>>>>> thirteenth > >>>>>> century. Sidis opted for wisdom, but it seemed to Phaedrus there > ought > >>>>>> to be > >>>>>> some way you could have both." > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> once again proof Pirsig advocates rape > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> MoRaT affirmed AGAIN!!! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:44:26 AM > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "Just as a farmer raises cows for the sole purpose of devouring > them, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> this > >>>>>> pattern > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> grows living human bodies for the sole purpose of devouring them." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> more evidence for the MoRaT, the true MoQ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> and the most damning evidence that Pirsig indeed affirms > >>>>>>> cannabalism and the rape and torture of inferior peoples: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "He also used to wonder if there was a higher farmer that > >>>>>>> did the same thing to people, a different kind of organism > >>>>>>> that they saw every day and thought of as beneficial, providing > >>>>>>> food and shelter and protection from enemies, but an organism > >>>>>>> that secretly was raising these people for its own sustenance, > >>>>>>> feeding upon them and using their accumulated energy for its > >>>>>>> own independent purposes. Later he saw there was" > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Once again the MoRaT is confirmed!!! > >>>>>>> the true MoQ > >>>>>>> This unassailable position, that devours all platypus,- burp! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:26:48 AM > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> More evidence for the MoRaT interpretation > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> where Pirsig justifies cannibalism. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "From a Metaphysics of Quality's point of view this devouring of > >>>>>>> human > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> bodies is > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> a moral activity" > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The MoRaT is affirmed again!! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:06:45 AM > >>>>>>> Subject: [MD] the MoRaT > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> And since it seems we can say anything we want to > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I want to introduce MoRaT > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The metaphysics of rape and torture > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Pirsig clearly supports this in my interpretation > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> that rape and torture are morally superior. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> " > >>>>>>> "Now Phaedrus felt it all around him - the speed, the height, the > >>>>>>> crowds > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>> their tension. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> All the early strangeness was gone now. He was in it. > >>>>>>> He remembered that its great symbol used to be the ticker tape, > >>>>>>> ticking > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> out > >>>>>> unpredictable > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> fortunes rising and falling every second, a great symbol of luck. > >>>>>>> Luck. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> When E. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> B. White > >>>>>>> wrote, 'If you want to live in New York you should be willing to > be > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> lucky,' he > >>>>>> meant not just > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> 'lucky' but willing to be lucky - that is, Dynamic. If you cling > to > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> some set > >>>>>> static pattern, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> when opportunity comes you won't take it. You have to hang loose, > and > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> when the > >>>>>> time > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> comes to be lucky, then be lucky: that's Dynamic. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> clearly pirsig means "ass rape" when he uses the term "lucky" > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> but he will not admit it. Pirsig states that we must seize the > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> opportunity to > >>>>>> rape > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> and torture at every opportunity. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> This is the real MoQ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The one Pirsig meant > >>>>>>> it is so obviouse > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> the rest of you morons refuse to discuss the > >>>>>>> one true MoQ, the MoRaT interpetation. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -Ro > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:50:26 AM > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns& thinking > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Since the theory is "nothing is real" > >>>>>>> test that theory by standing in traffic > >>>>>>> or jumping off a building. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> see what happens > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> please > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>>>>> From: Magnus Berg<[email protected]> > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 7:24:25 AM > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns& thinking > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 2010-07-19 11:17, MarshaV wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sight at its very least is not about identified objects, only form > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> color. But one can experience sight sans even form and color too. > >>>>>>>> It is ALL conceived. It's useful and I wouldn't throw away any > but > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> arrogance of thinking the "real" has been realized. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Arrogance is there in SOM, yes, because in SOM, there's no other > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> relationship > >>>>>> between the perceived object in your head and the object observed. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> But in MoQ, we know that there *is* a direct dependency from our > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> internal image > >>>>>> of the object, to the reality of the object via the levels. I'm not > >>>>>> saying that > >>>>>> your brain is supported by *that* stone, but I'm saying that your > >>>>>> brain > >>>>>> is > >>>>>> supported by inorganic patterns just *like* a stone. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> So, in SOM, ALL is conceived. But in MoQ, where we have the level > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> dependency and > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> know that our internal "minds" are supported by inorganic patterns, > >>>>>>> we > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> can know > >>>>>> that there are inorganic patterns. From there, I don't think it's > >>>>>> arrogant > >>>>>> anymore to give the stone a status of real. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Magnus > >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>>>>> Archives: > >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>>>>> Archives: > >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>>>>> Archives: > >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>>>>> Archives: > >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>>>>> Archives: > >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>>>>> Archives: > >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>>>>> Archives: > >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>>>> Archives: > >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> ___ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>>> Archives: > >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>>>> > >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>>>> > >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>>> Archives: > >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>> > >>> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring > production > >>> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > >>> — Frank Zappa > >>> > >>> > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>> Archives: > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >>> > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > >> > > -- > > > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > > — Frank Zappa > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
