[Platt} Different thread but the same Roman voice. Nor do I consider satire intellectual when it's nonsensical.
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: > Different thread Platt so as you say - " When in Rome..." > The thread in question was satirical (intellectual), yours and Marsha's > response was ad hominem (social) > What does the MoQ say about that? > > > > On 19/07/2010 22:24, Platt Holden wrote: > >> [Platt] >> Maybe not in that thread but in Ron's residence in Rome personal insults >> are >> frequent: Ex: >> "Love that quote do'nt you? you should have it typed in brail so you can >> shove it up ass and read it .. >> now that's new." (Post July 18) >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Horse<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> So where in the MoRaT thread was Ron being negative or making ad hominem >>> comments? >>> Satirical, yes. Sarcastic maybe. Ad Hominem? I don't think so. >>> And why can't the SOLsters reply in the same vein as per "When in >>> Rome...." >>> or are the Roman grapes a bit sour at the moment? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 19/07/2010 20:44, Platt Holden wrote: >>> >>> Hi Horse, >>>> >>>> When in Rome . . . >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Platt >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Horse<[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> It's a bit odd that the negative and ad hominem comments have come >>>> from >>>> >>>>> the SOLsters! >>>>> Who'd'a thought? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 19/07/2010 17:49, Platt Holden wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Marsha, >>>>> >>>>>> Me, too. His point is to never quote anyone about anything. >>>>>> And there goes knowledge down the tube. >>>>>> >>>>>> More meds anyone? >>>>>> >>>>>> Platt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:56 AM, MarshaV<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Point? I figured he forgot to take his meds. Again. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Think maybe you've made your point Ron ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ;-) >>>>>>>> Ian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:03 PM, X Acto<[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The most damning evidence of all >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> After Lila rapes Phaedrus, he "see's the light" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "This was the first time he'd been passive like this. >>>>>>>>> Before it had been his idea, his aggression, his carnal >>>>>>>>> desires. Now this passivity seemed to open something up. >>>>>>>>> What he seemed to have seen was that maybe 'he' hadn't >>>>>>>>> had anything to do with it at all. He tried to hang on to it, >>>>>>>>> half awake, half asleep." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> more affirmation!!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the MoRaT is unassailable!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:51:31 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 'Is it better to have wisdom or is it better to be attractive to >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ladies?' >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That was a question debated by Provengal poets way back in the >>>>>>>> thirteenth >>>>>>>> century. Sidis opted for wisdom, but it seemed to Phaedrus there >>>>>>>> ought >>>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>> some way you could have both." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> once again proof Pirsig advocates rape >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> MoRaT affirmed AGAIN!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:44:26 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Just as a farmer raises cows for the sole purpose of devouring >>>>>>>>> them, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> pattern >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> grows living human bodies for the sole purpose of devouring them." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> more evidence for the MoRaT, the true MoQ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and the most damning evidence that Pirsig indeed affirms >>>>>>>>> cannabalism and the rape and torture of inferior peoples: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "He also used to wonder if there was a higher farmer that >>>>>>>>> did the same thing to people, a different kind of organism >>>>>>>>> that they saw every day and thought of as beneficial, providing >>>>>>>>> food and shelter and protection from enemies, but an organism >>>>>>>>> that secretly was raising these people for its own sustenance, >>>>>>>>> feeding upon them and using their accumulated energy for its >>>>>>>>> own independent purposes. Later he saw there was" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Once again the MoRaT is confirmed!!! >>>>>>>>> the true MoQ >>>>>>>>> This unassailable position, that devours all platypus,- burp! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:26:48 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> More evidence for the MoRaT interpretation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> where Pirsig justifies cannibalism. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "From a Metaphysics of Quality's point of view this devouring of >>>>>>>>> human >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> bodies is >>>>>>>>> a moral activity" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The MoRaT is affirmed again!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:06:45 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: [MD] the MoRaT >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And since it seems we can say anything we want to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I want to introduce MoRaT >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The metaphysics of rape and torture >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pirsig clearly supports this in my interpretation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> that rape and torture are morally superior. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> " >>>>>>>>> "Now Phaedrus felt it all around him - the speed, the height, the >>>>>>>>> crowds >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> their tension. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All the early strangeness was gone now. He was in it. >>>>>>>>> He remembered that its great symbol used to be the ticker tape, >>>>>>>>> ticking >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> unpredictable >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> fortunes rising and falling every second, a great symbol of luck. >>>>>>>>> Luck. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When E. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> B. White >>>>>>>>> wrote, 'If you want to live in New York you should be willing to >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> lucky,' he >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> meant not just >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 'lucky' but willing to be lucky - that is, Dynamic. If you cling >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> some set >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> static pattern, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> when opportunity comes you won't take it. You have to hang loose, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> when the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> comes to be lucky, then be lucky: that's Dynamic. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> clearly pirsig means "ass rape" when he uses the term "lucky" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but he will not admit it. Pirsig states that we must seize the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> opportunity to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> rape >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and torture at every opportunity. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is the real MoQ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The one Pirsig meant >>>>>>>>> it is so obviouse >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the rest of you morons refuse to discuss the >>>>>>>>> one true MoQ, the MoRaT interpetation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Ro >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:50:26 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns& thinking >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since the theory is "nothing is real" >>>>>>>>> test that theory by standing in traffic >>>>>>>>> or jumping off a building. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> see what happens >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> please >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>>>>>> From: Magnus Berg<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 7:24:25 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns& thinking >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2010-07-19 11:17, MarshaV wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sight at its very least is not about identified objects, only form >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> color. But one can experience sight sans even form and color too. >>>>>>>>>> It is ALL conceived. It's useful and I wouldn't throw away any >>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> arrogance of thinking the "real" has been realized. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Arrogance is there in SOM, yes, because in SOM, there's no other >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> relationship >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> between the perceived object in your head and the object observed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But in MoQ, we know that there *is* a direct dependency from our >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> internal image >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> of the object, to the reality of the object via the levels. I'm not >>>>>>>> saying that >>>>>>>> your brain is supported by *that* stone, but I'm saying that your >>>>>>>> brain >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> supported by inorganic patterns just *like* a stone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, in SOM, ALL is conceived. But in MoQ, where we have the level >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> dependency and >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> know that our internal "minds" are supported by inorganic patterns, >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> can know >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> that there are inorganic patterns. 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