[Platt} I thought it was funny, too, superbly ridiculous. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 5:52 PM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote:
> was that an insult Platt? I thought it was offered as an example of > original thinking, with merely insulting overtones. > > And also, funny as hell. > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Platt Holden <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > [Platt] > > Maybe not in that thread but in Ron's residence in Rome personal insults > > are > > frequent: Ex: > > "Love that quote do'nt you? you should have it typed in brail so you can > > shove it up ass and read it .. > > now that's new." (Post July 18) > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > So where in the MoRaT thread was Ron being negative or making ad > hominem > > > comments? > > > Satirical, yes. Sarcastic maybe. Ad Hominem? I don't think so. > > > And why can't the SOLsters reply in the same vein as per "When in > > Rome...." > > > or are the Roman grapes a bit sour at the moment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 19/07/2010 20:44, Platt Holden wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Horse, > > >> > > >> When in Rome . . . > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> Platt > > >> > > >> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Horse<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > >> It's a bit odd that the negative and ad hominem comments have come > > from > > >>> the SOLsters! > > >>> Who'd'a thought? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 19/07/2010 17:49, Platt Holden wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Hi Marsha, > > >>>> > > >>>> Me, too. His point is to never quote anyone about anything. > > >>>> And there goes knowledge down the tube. > > >>>> > > >>>> More meds anyone? > > >>>> > > >>>> Platt > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> . > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:56 AM, MarshaV<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Point? I figured he forgot to take his meds. Again. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Marsha > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Think maybe you've made your point Ron ? > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> ;-) > > >>>>>> Ian > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:03 PM, X Acto<[email protected]> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> The most damning evidence of all > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> After Lila rapes Phaedrus, he "see's the light" > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> "This was the first time he'd been passive like this. > > >>>>>>> Before it had been his idea, his aggression, his carnal > > >>>>>>> desires. Now this passivity seemed to open something up. > > >>>>>>> What he seemed to have seen was that maybe 'he' hadn't > > >>>>>>> had anything to do with it at all. He tried to hang on to it, > > >>>>>>> half awake, half asleep." > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> more affirmation!!!! > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> the MoRaT is unassailable!!! > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > > >>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] > > >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:51:31 AM > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 'Is it better to have wisdom or is it better to be attractive to > > the > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> ladies?' > > >>>>>> That was a question debated by Provengal poets way back in the > > >>>>>> thirteenth > > >>>>>> century. Sidis opted for wisdom, but it seemed to Phaedrus there > > ought > > >>>>>> to be > > >>>>>> some way you could have both." > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> once again proof Pirsig advocates rape > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> MoRaT affirmed AGAIN!!! > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > > >>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] > > >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:44:26 AM > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> "Just as a farmer raises cows for the sole purpose of devouring > > them, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> this > > >>>>>> pattern > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> grows living human bodies for the sole purpose of devouring > them." > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> more evidence for the MoRaT, the true MoQ > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> and the most damning evidence that Pirsig indeed affirms > > >>>>>>> cannabalism and the rape and torture of inferior peoples: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> "He also used to wonder if there was a higher farmer that > > >>>>>>> did the same thing to people, a different kind of organism > > >>>>>>> that they saw every day and thought of as beneficial, providing > > >>>>>>> food and shelter and protection from enemies, but an organism > > >>>>>>> that secretly was raising these people for its own sustenance, > > >>>>>>> feeding upon them and using their accumulated energy for its > > >>>>>>> own independent purposes. Later he saw there was" > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Once again the MoRaT is confirmed!!! > > >>>>>>> the true MoQ > > >>>>>>> This unassailable position, that devours all platypus,- burp! > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > > >>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] > > >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:26:48 AM > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> More evidence for the MoRaT interpretation > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> where Pirsig justifies cannibalism. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> "From a Metaphysics of Quality's point of view this devouring of > > >>>>>>> human > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> bodies is > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> a moral activity" > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> The MoRaT is affirmed again!! > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > > >>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] > > >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:06:45 AM > > >>>>>>> Subject: [MD] the MoRaT > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> And since it seems we can say anything we want to > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I want to introduce MoRaT > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> The metaphysics of rape and torture > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Pirsig clearly supports this in my interpretation > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> that rape and torture are morally superior. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> " > > >>>>>>> "Now Phaedrus felt it all around him - the speed, the height, the > > >>>>>>> crowds > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> and > > >>>>>> their tension. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> All the early strangeness was gone now. He was in it. > > >>>>>>> He remembered that its great symbol used to be the ticker tape, > > >>>>>>> ticking > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> out > > >>>>>> unpredictable > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> fortunes rising and falling every second, a great symbol of > luck. > > >>>>>>> Luck. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> When E. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> B. White > > >>>>>>> wrote, 'If you want to live in New York you should be willing to > > be > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> lucky,' he > > >>>>>> meant not just > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 'lucky' but willing to be lucky - that is, Dynamic. If you cling > > to > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> some set > > >>>>>> static pattern, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> when opportunity comes you won't take it. You have to hang loose, > > and > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> when the > > >>>>>> time > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> comes to be lucky, then be lucky: that's Dynamic. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> clearly pirsig means "ass rape" when he uses the term "lucky" > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> but he will not admit it. Pirsig states that we must seize the > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> opportunity to > > >>>>>> rape > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> and torture at every opportunity. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> This is the real MoQ > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> The one Pirsig meant > > >>>>>>> it is so obviouse > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> the rest of you morons refuse to discuss the > > >>>>>>> one true MoQ, the MoRaT interpetation. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -Ro > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > > >>>>>>> From: X Acto<[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] > > >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:50:26 AM > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns& thinking > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Since the theory is "nothing is real" > > >>>>>>> test that theory by standing in traffic > > >>>>>>> or jumping off a building. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> see what happens > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> please > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > > >>>>>>> From: Magnus Berg<[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> To: [email protected] > > >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 7:24:25 AM > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns& thinking > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On 2010-07-19 11:17, MarshaV wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Sight at its very least is not about identified objects, only > form > > >>>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>> color. But one can experience sight sans even form and color > too. > > >>>>>>>> It is ALL conceived. It's useful and I wouldn't throw away any > > but > > >>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>> arrogance of thinking the "real" has been realized. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Arrogance is there in SOM, yes, because in SOM, there's no > other > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> relationship > > >>>>>> between the perceived object in your head and the object observed. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> But in MoQ, we know that there *is* a direct dependency from our > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> internal image > > >>>>>> of the object, to the reality of the object via the levels. I'm > not > > >>>>>> saying that > > >>>>>> your brain is supported by *that* stone, but I'm saying that your > > >>>>>> brain > > >>>>>> is > > >>>>>> supported by inorganic patterns just *like* a stone. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> So, in SOM, ALL is conceived. But in MoQ, where we have the level > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> dependency and > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> know that our internal "minds" are supported by inorganic > patterns, > > >>>>>>> we > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> can know > > >>>>>> that there are inorganic patterns. 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