Satire is often nonsensical to those that either don't understand or appreciate it - and Ron was doing to the MoQ what the SOLists are doing to the MoQ. So if Ron's is nonsensical the same goes for the SOLists (or is it the SIMians - I'm starting to lose track of the various nonsensical acronyms being used to rape and torture Pirsigs work).

On 20/07/2010 03:03, Platt Holden wrote:
[Platt}
Different thread but the same Roman voice. Nor do I consider satire
intellectual
when it's nonsensical.

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Horse<[email protected]>  wrote:

  Different thread Platt so as you say - " When in Rome..."
The thread in question was satirical (intellectual), yours and Marsha's
response was ad hominem (social)
What does the MoQ say about that?



On 19/07/2010 22:24, Platt Holden wrote:

[Platt]
Maybe not in that thread but in Ron's residence in Rome personal insults
are
frequent: Ex:
"Love that quote do'nt you? you should have it typed in brail so you can
shove it up ass and read it ..
  now that's new." (Post July 18)



On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Horse<[email protected]>   wrote:

   So where in the MoRaT thread was Ron being negative or making ad hominem
comments?
Satirical, yes. Sarcastic maybe. Ad Hominem? I don't think so.
And why can't the SOLsters reply in the same vein as per "When in
Rome...."
or are the Roman grapes a bit sour at the moment?




On 19/07/2010 20:44, Platt Holden wrote:

  Hi Horse,
When in Rome . . .

Regards,
Platt

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Horse<[email protected]>    wrote:

   It's a bit odd that the negative and ad hominem comments have come
from

the SOLsters!
Who'd'a thought?


On 19/07/2010 17:49, Platt Holden wrote:

  Hi Marsha,

Me, too. His point is to never quote anyone about anything.
And there goes knowledge down the tube.

More meds anyone?

Platt



.



On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:56 AM, MarshaV<[email protected]>     wrote:


  Point?  I figured he forgot to take his meds.   Again.

Marsha


On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:

  Think maybe you've made your point Ron ?

  ;-)
Ian

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:03 PM, X Acto<[email protected]>
wrote:

  The most damning evidence of all

After Lila rapes Phaedrus, he "see's the light"

"This was the first time he'd been passive like this.
Before it had been his idea, his aggression, his carnal
desires. Now this passivity seemed to open something up.
What he seemed to have seen was that maybe 'he' hadn't
  had anything to do with it at all. He tried to hang on to it,
half awake, half asleep."

more affirmation!!!!

the MoRaT is unassailable!!!





----- Original Message ----
From: X Acto<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:51:31 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT

'Is it better to have wisdom or is it better to be attractive to
the

  ladies?'

That was a question debated by Provengal poets way back in the
thirteenth
century. Sidis opted for wisdom, but it seemed to Phaedrus there
ought
to be
some way you could have both."

  once again proof Pirsig advocates rape
MoRaT affirmed AGAIN!!!





----- Original Message ----
From: X Acto<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:44:26 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT

"Just as a farmer raises cows for the sole purpose of devouring
them,

  this

pattern

  grows living human bodies for the sole purpose of devouring them."

more evidence for the MoRaT, the true MoQ

and the most damning evidence that Pirsig indeed affirms
cannabalism and the rape and torture of inferior peoples:

"He also used to wonder if there was a higher farmer that
did the same thing to people, a different kind of organism
that they saw every day and thought of as beneficial, providing
  food and shelter and protection from enemies, but an organism
that secretly was raising these people for its own sustenance,
  feeding upon them and using their accumulated energy for its
own independent purposes. Later he saw there was"

Once again the MoRaT is confirmed!!!
the true MoQ
This unassailable position, that devours all platypus,- burp!






----- Original Message ----
From: X Acto<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:26:48 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT

More evidence for the MoRaT interpretation

where Pirsig justifies cannibalism.

"From a Metaphysics of Quality's point of view this devouring of
human

  bodies is
a moral activity"

The MoRaT is affirmed again!!





----- Original Message ----
From: X Acto<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:06:45 AM
Subject: [MD] the MoRaT

And since it seems we can say anything we want to

I want to introduce MoRaT

The metaphysics of rape and torture

Pirsig clearly supports this in my interpretation

that rape and torture are morally superior.

"
"Now Phaedrus felt it all around him - the speed, the height, the
crowds

  and

their tension.

  All the early strangeness was gone now. He was in it.
He remembered that its great symbol used to be the ticker tape,
ticking

  out

unpredictable

   fortunes rising and falling every second, a great symbol of luck.
Luck.

  When E.

B. White
  wrote, 'If you want to live in New York you should be willing to
be

  lucky,' he

meant not just

   'lucky' but willing to be lucky - that is, Dynamic. If you cling
to

  some set

static pattern,

  when opportunity comes you won't take it. You have to hang loose,
and

  when the

time

  comes to be lucky, then be lucky: that's Dynamic.
clearly pirsig means "ass rape" when he uses the term "lucky"

but he will not admit it. Pirsig states that we must seize the

  opportunity to

rape

  and torture at every opportunity.
This is the real MoQ

The one Pirsig meant
  it is so obviouse

the rest of you morons refuse to discuss the
one true MoQ, the MoRaT interpetation.

-Ro










----- Original Message ----
From: X Acto<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:50:26 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns&     thinking

Since the theory is "nothing is real"
test that theory by standing in traffic
or jumping off a building.

see what happens

please





----- Original Message ----
From: Magnus Berg<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 7:24:25 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns&     thinking

On 2010-07-19 11:17, MarshaV wrote:

  Sight at its very least is not about identified objects, only form

and
color.  But one can experience sight sans even form and color too.
It is ALL conceived.  It's useful and I wouldn't throw away any
but
the
arrogance of thinking the "real" has been realized.

  Arrogance is there in SOM, yes, because in SOM, there's no other

  relationship

between the perceived object in your head and the object observed.

  But in MoQ, we know that there *is* a direct dependency from our
  internal image

of the object, to the reality of the object via the levels. I'm not
saying that
your brain is supported by *that* stone, but I'm saying that your
brain
is
supported by inorganic patterns just *like* a stone.

  So, in SOM, ALL is conceived. But in MoQ, where we have the level
  dependency and


know that our internal "minds" are supported by inorganic patterns,
we

  can know

that there are inorganic patterns. From there, I don't think it's
arrogant
anymore to give the stone a status of real.

      Magnus
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