Marsha to Andre: Intellectual Static Patterns of Value are reified concepts and the rules for their rational analysis and manipulation.
Andre: This clearly shows your misunderstanding of the MOQ Marsha. The whole 'idea' of reification is a SOM product. The MOQ opposes SOM, or rather 'rectifies' SOM, by suggesting that 'patterns of value' are a better tool to grasp our understanding of (conventional) reality. To wit: no reification but the ongoing process of valuation. Marsha: As far as I know intellectual patterns are as I stated above, and I have seen no evidence to the contrary. Andre: You have been presented with plenty of evidence Marsha by many here on this list and notably dmb. But I know your thoughts on his posts...you read them with your eyes closed. Marsha: And surely you wouldn't expect my understanding to change because dmb, Arlo, Ron, Dan or the Pope think differently. My mind doesn't work like that. Andre: Not for a minute would I expect this from you Marsha. You are the mind trying to see and understand your mind much like the eye that tries to see itself. This really is all your own soliloquize. Marsha: I do miss Bo. Because he kept the discussion centered on the MoQ's being beyond SOM, and the MoQ's understanding transcending subject/object metaphysical thinking, Andre: The MOQ is an expansion of the conventional subject-object theoretical structure. Nothing 'beyond'. Bodvar does not accept this and you do not accept this. What this means is that through this rejection you have thrown ZMM as well as LILA overboard. Just read dmb's post carefully...with your eyes open this time. But I do believe you have developed a blind spot as far as seeing this is concerned, or rather the Cleveland Harbour syndrome. I understand Bodvar is working on his own web-site. Hope you can join him there soon. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
