On Sep 4, 2010, at 12:34 PM, MarshaV wrote: > > On Sep 4, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Mary wrote: > >> Hi Marsha, >> >> [Mary said] >>>> The fourth level is a formalized subject/object level (SOM), where >>> the >>>> paramount demand is for rational objective knowledge, which denies >>> the >>>> existence of Quality. >>> >> >> [Marsha replied] >>> Quality being value? Quality being experience? Quality as Emptiness? >>> I >>> cannot agree with your "which denies the existence of Quality." Mr. >>> Pirsig, >>> himself, has used intellect to explain the Quality. My understanding >>> of Quality is as unpatterned experience/patterned experience; it is not >>> the >>> descriptions or discussions of it. But maybe if you would elaborate, I >>> might >>> have more to consider. >> >> >> As in, Quality does not exist, Quality is just a subjective opinion, Quality >> is not an inherent property of a thing, or Quality is not real. Also as in, >> Quality is trivial, fluff, not to be taken seriously, cannot be properly >> measured, quantified, objectively observed, or used in the metrics to rate >> you in your annual job performance review. In other words, Quality is >> *just* subjective. >> >> Given that, how does it compare with what you said? > > > Yes, I can whole heartedly agree with you. - Marsha
Hi Mary, I do agree with you, but I can understand an area of confusion. With Quality = Value, one could say intellectual patterns value objective data/information, and that's valuing. Yet I believe the MoQ states that the subject/object level does not understand that that data/information IS Value and only Value. Marsha > > > > >> >>> ... >>> The fourth level is a formalized >>>> subject/object level (SOM), where the paramount demand is for >>>> rational, objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of any >> subjectivity. >> >> I think we are saying the same thing? >> >> Best, >> Mary >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
