On 19 Sep 2010 at 10:20, MarshaV wrote:

Ron, Andre, Adrie,  (Ronettes),

I am finished with this for now, and will stick 
to my own definition/interpretation as a more 
meaningful description of intellectual 
static patterns of value.  More meaningful 
for me, which is appropriate to my  own 
experience.  

Hi Marsha,

Funny thing happened on the way to defining the intellectual level. Almost 
everyone agrees, including Pirsig, that intellectual patterns originate out of 
society. The same people then try to squeeze the MOQ into the intellectual 
level, but what society did the MOQ originate from? None.

The MOQ originated in response to Dynamic qualty by the unique combination of 
value patterns named Robert M. Pirsig. Some may try to say he is society. Yeah, 
right. He is no more society than the brujo was. The values that matter, the 
ones that change society, originate out of individuals, defined as being all 
four static value levels plus the ability to respond to DQ. 

An argument will be that Pirsig, the brujo and other innovators originate out 
of society. True enough. But new value patterns originate from individuals 
only. That's why Pirsig wrote that you shouldn't execute criminals unless they 
are a threat to society. One of them might have an idea that would move the 
evolution of life forward. 

In fact when you think about it, individuals don't fit in any of the levels. 
They're a separate category all their own.

Platt 

         
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