Hi Marsha, Yes, I see what you mean. While being a thorny issue, terminology is the digital cable which connects analogue bioreactors such as ourselves in common thought. These connections, while rudimentary, are what we got. So, I have no illusions of definite meanings. And, yes, each word has our own subjective meaning which is why we gather more words together to try to share the same picture.
Tying the metaphysics of Quality to the metaphysics of Buddhism is indeed an interesting and perhaps worthwhile effort, and I have spent some time contemplating it (along with my navel). I find the abstractness of Buddhism to be amenable to metaphysical discussion. According to Buddhism (in my understanding), there is no independent arising. We as souls of this earth are an amalgamation of all other things, and as such do not exist independently. I am sure that for Buddhists this brings about an awareness which is meaningful for them. I would also have to say that it is but a refuge for those which such needs. If I were to posit that Quality creates Truth, then the Noble Truths of Buddhism would arise from Quality. But, if we need a cause and effect scenario, where does Quality come from? I could suggest that Quality arrises from Emptiness. That is, that Quality is THE independent arising. Of course this is nonsense to Buddhists, but perhaps they are stuck. My sense of such arising is the interconnectedness of all (or the codependent arising), however it is more tangible than that. This is why I used the metaphor of golden strands in a previous post. That is, the relational attachment. Hard to explain, so I'll stop there and take a breath. Here is how I imagine a conversation would go between a Buddhist and me: Buddhist: The world is empty of independent arising. Me: There is one thing that arrises, that is Quality. Buddhist: What is Quality? Me: It is that which arrises independently. Buddhist: Then you haven't understood the concept of Emptiness Me: Then you haven't understood the concept of Quality. Buddhist: Stop bothering me, I'm contemplating! Cheers, Mark On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:35 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > From Emptiness arises conventional truths, from Quality arises static > patterns of value. I see them as synonyms, and analogies pointing to > what is beyond concepts. Quality and Emptiness as one and the same. > To me the Quantum measurement problem, the skeleton in the > laboratory closet, is pointing its boney finger at Quality/Emptiness. > Quality/Emptiness can be said to be arising from that which they are > analogizing. > > Terminology can be a thorny issue. But the MoQ, as a bridge between > Western Science and Eastern Wisdom/Insight must consider different > dictionaries. For instance, if one thinks about the word 'Quality', it can > seem > quite strange. Yet is it any less "weird" than 'dark space', > 'superposition' or ' > entanglement'? Not at all! The concepts behind these words are definitely > out from the ordinary. The Eastern concepts should pose no problem. > It's all very interesting and all worth pondering. imho. > > > Marsha > > > > > On Oct 5, 2010, at 1:16 AM, 118 wrote: > > > Perhaps Marsha, > > > > It just doesn't work for me, though. I tend to think of Quality as > > Fullness. > > > > Emptiness as a word does not do the concept of co-dependent arising > justice. > > Maybe it is in the translation to English. However, once redefined > through > > personal understanding of what the word is suppose to mean, then I guess > it > > is as good a word as any. Every discipline has its own dictionary. > > > > Quality may be arising from Emptiness, what do you think? > > > > Mark > > > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:01 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> I think it is acceptable within the MoQ to consider Emptiness equivalent > to > >> Quaiity... > >> > >> > >> Emptiness & Quantum Mechanics (8 minutes) > >> by B. Alan Wallace > >> > >> > >> > >> > http://web.me.com/ksnowsb108/B._Alan_Wallace_Podcasts/Podcast/Entries/2009/2/7_Emptiness_%26_Quantum_Mechanics.html > >> > >> > >> Bio: Dr. Wallace, a scholar and practitioner of Buddhism since 1970, > has > >> taught Buddhist theory and meditation worldwide since 1976. Having > devoted > >> fourteen years to training as a Tibetan Buddhist monk, ordained by H. H. > the > >> Dalai Lama, he went on to earn an undergraduate degree in physics and > the > >> philosophy of science at Amherst College and a doctorate in religious > >> studies at Stanford. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
